MBA Marketing - Westminster or Kingston?


Pecker

Hello,
I'm searching for an MBA program for autumn this year with the following specifications:
- a core or elective module in marketing
- fee for one year around 20000 pounds
- London area would be my favorite region.

So far I found Westminster University and Kingston Business School as most interesting options.

Which one can you recommend?
Do you know any other options that could fulfill my requests?

My profile:
- Very good undergradute degree in engineering (German Dipl. Ing.)
- four years of working experience in the automotive industry (OEM) with 2 years of assignment abroad (Paris)
- Toefl with 110/120 points
- GMAT not yet done

Thank you very much for your help!

Hello,
I'm searching for an MBA program for autumn this year with the following specifications:
- a core or elective module in marketing
- fee for one year around 20000 pounds
- London area would be my favorite region.

So far I found Westminster University and Kingston Business School as most interesting options.

Which one can you recommend?
Do you know any other options that could fulfill my requests?

My profile:
- Very good undergradute degree in engineering (German Dipl. Ing.)
- four years of working experience in the automotive industry (OEM) with 2 years of assignment abroad (Paris)
- Toefl with 110/120 points
- GMAT not yet done

Thank you very much for your help!
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Sparks

Hi Pecker,

What made you choose these two MBA programmes? Your profile looks like you should get into a higer ranked school.

Hi Pecker,

What made you choose these two MBA programmes? Your profile looks like you should get into a higer ranked school.
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Pecker

Hi Pecker,

What made you choose these two MBA programmes? Your profile looks like you should get into a higer ranked school.


Thanks for your feedback. Maybe you're right. The reasons to focus on these "mid-range"schools were:

1. I have 4 years of really intense working experience, with very good feedback from my bosses and a clear progress in the amount of responsibility and tasks within our projects. Plus the involvement in a cooperation project with another company abroad. So I think it should be pretty interesting and relevant for an MBA course. But I don't have managerial experience, which is mostly demanded by business schools (already Westminster and Kingston request 3 years of it). So I'm not sure if m experience is sufficient for better b-schools than the two mentioned above.

2. I live and work in Germany and generally an MBA is not a very common form of education in Germany. I think what is relevant for German companies is the content of the courses (e.g. Marketing) and not the school where you have taken these courses. The MBA rankings which seem to be extremely important in the UK do not count too much in Germany (my feeling).

3. The price of the MBA is also relevant of course. It should not be much more than 20000 gbp for the year.

4. I want to spend the year in GB/London not only to do the MBA, but also to learn the language, see the town and the country, get to know interesting people /culture / way of life /...
I'm sure that also Westminster and Kingston are very intense and demanding programs, but they probably leave a bit more time for these other things around the education than for example a Cass or Imperial MBA.

I'm looking forward to seeing your comments on these points!

<blockquote>Hi Pecker,

What made you choose these two MBA programmes? Your profile looks like you should get into a higer ranked school.</blockquote>

Thanks for your feedback. Maybe you're right. The reasons to focus on these "mid-range"schools were:

1. I have 4 years of really intense working experience, with very good feedback from my bosses and a clear progress in the amount of responsibility and tasks within our projects. Plus the involvement in a cooperation project with another company abroad. So I think it should be pretty interesting and relevant for an MBA course. But I don't have managerial experience, which is mostly demanded by business schools (already Westminster and Kingston request 3 years of it). So I'm not sure if m experience is sufficient for better b-schools than the two mentioned above.

2. I live and work in Germany and generally an MBA is not a very common form of education in Germany. I think what is relevant for German companies is the content of the courses (e.g. Marketing) and not the school where you have taken these courses. The MBA rankings which seem to be extremely important in the UK do not count too much in Germany (my feeling).

3. The price of the MBA is also relevant of course. It should not be much more than 20000 gbp for the year.

4. I want to spend the year in GB/London not only to do the MBA, but also to learn the language, see the town and the country, get to know interesting people /culture / way of life /...
I'm sure that also Westminster and Kingston are very intense and demanding programs, but they probably leave a bit more time for these other things around the education than for example a Cass or Imperial MBA.

I'm looking forward to seeing your comments on these points!
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Sparks

Hi again,

If an MBA isn't important in Germany, then how about an MSc in marketing? E.g. the MSc in Strategic Marketing at Imperial:
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/programmes/msc-strategic-marketing

Because of your industry, Imperial would be fantastic. I'm guessing that Imperial's international reputation would carry some weight in Germany.

Hi again,

If an MBA isn't important in Germany, then how about an MSc in marketing? E.g. the MSc in Strategic Marketing at Imperial:
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/programmes/msc-strategic-marketing

Because of your industry, Imperial would be fantastic. I'm guessing that Imperial's international reputation would carry some weight in Germany.
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Duncan

Hi Pecker. I understand why you would think that the content is what matters, however if you look at salary data from the MBA programmes in Germany you will see that the salaries of graduates differs a lot, and it differs in line with the quality and brand of the business school. So, while most employers in Germany are not very aware of MBA or MSc degrees, those who do hire people from these international masters programmes (whether in Germany or in the UK) are very senetive to quality.

I think you should certainly get into the very best programme you can, and that will probabaly mean an MBA.

Sparks, Imperial has a great reputation in the Commonwealth countries because it recruits a lot of people from there. It's no so well known in Germany, for the same reason.

Hi Pecker. I understand why you would think that the content is what matters, however if you look at salary data from the MBA programmes in Germany you will see that the salaries of graduates differs a lot, and it differs in line with the quality and brand of the business school. So, while most employers in Germany are not very aware of MBA or MSc degrees, those who do hire people from these international masters programmes (whether in Germany or in the UK) are very senetive to quality.

I think you should certainly get into the very best programme you can, and that will probabaly mean an MBA.

Sparks, Imperial has a great reputation in the Commonwealth countries because it recruits a lot of people from there. It's no so well known in Germany, for the same reason.
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Sparks

Hi Duncan,

Interesting, thanks. I was curious how well reputations carried internationally. Would I be right to guess that LBS, Oxbridge and LSE travel furthest ... ?

Personally, I'd rather have an MSc from Imperial than an MBA from Kingston. But then I'm not German!



Hi Duncan,

Interesting, thanks. I was curious how well reputations carried internationally. Would I be right to guess that LBS, Oxbridge and LSE travel furthest ... ?

Personally, I'd rather have an MSc from Imperial than an MBA from Kingston. But then I'm not German!
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Pecker

Thank you for your interesting and helpful comments!
A marketing MSc is something I thought about as well because increasing my marketing knowledge is really one of the main objectives. But I want to use the chance and get a thorough understanding of general management at the same time so I'm quite sure that an MBA is the right program to chose.

I understand that you are not too convinced of Westminster or Kingston. But supposed I had to chose only between those two, which one would you recommend?

Of course, I will have again a closer look at some of the higher ranked schools. Maybe I just have to try.

Thank you so far!

Thank you for your interesting and helpful comments!
A marketing MSc is something I thought about as well because increasing my marketing knowledge is really one of the main objectives. But I want to use the chance and get a thorough understanding of general management at the same time so I'm quite sure that an MBA is the right program to chose.

I understand that you are not too convinced of Westminster or Kingston. But supposed I had to chose only between those two, which one would you recommend?

Of course, I will have again a closer look at some of the higher ranked schools. Maybe I just have to try.

Thank you so far!
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Duncan

The reality is that you *don't* have to choose between them. For the same price you could attend a ranked, respected MBA like Edinburgh. You're very close to Henley's budget. Newcastle, Durham, Birmingham are all better and cheaper. Even Brunel in west London is a better choice.

The reality is that you *don't* have to choose between them. For the same price you could attend a ranked, respected MBA like Edinburgh. You're very close to Henley's budget. Newcastle, Durham, Birmingham are all better and cheaper. Even Brunel in west London is a better choice.

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The biggest issue here might be that the author set his mind on London already. Although the only advantage it has is the name itself... I really would consider programmes outside of the city - better bang for the bucks in most circumstances! :)

The biggest issue here might be that the author set his mind on London already. Although the only advantage it has is the name itself... I really would consider programmes outside of the city - better bang for the bucks in most circumstances! :)
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Duncan

Indeed. Brunel is in greater London and its full-time MBAs graduate onto around £60,000. At Westminster I guess it will be closer to half that.

Indeed. Brunel is in greater London and its full-time MBAs graduate onto around £60,000. At Westminster I guess it will be closer to half that.
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I would follow Duncans advice and take a closer look at Henley. Good reputation and within commuting distance to London.

I would follow Duncans advice and take a closer look at Henley. Good reputation and within commuting distance to London.
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