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Apr 06, 2011 05:05

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which one is better for the 2011 FT MBA programme?
which one is better for the 2011 FT MBA programme?

Apr 08, 2011 02:36

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Inputs please !!!
Inputs please !!!

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Apr 11, 2011 02:54

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Leeds ranks higher, but ranking isn't everything since both schools have solid international reputations. Of course your decision also depends on the courses you would like to take, so have a close look at each program. It might also depend on the atmosphere you're looking for. In terms of better job opportunities, I would say they're pretty equal, it really depends on you and in which direction you would like to push your career. Where are you from? Do you have to apply for a visa? This might also influence your decision.
Leeds ranks higher, but ranking isn't everything since both schools have solid international reputations. Of course your decision also depends on the courses you would like to take, so have a close look at each program. It might also depend on the atmosphere you're looking for. In terms of better job opportunities, I would say they're pretty equal, it really depends on you and in which direction you would like to push your career. Where are you from? Do you have to apply for a visa? This might also influence your decision.

Apr 11, 2011 02:44

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Leeds ranks higher, but ranking isn't everything since both schools have solid international reputations. Of course your decision also depends on the courses you would like to take, so have a close look at each program. It might also depend on the atmosphere you're looking for. In terms of better job opportunities, I would say they're pretty equal, it really depends on you and in which direction you would like to push your career. Where are you from? Do you have to apply for a visa? This might also influence your decision.


Hi Finlay,
I find the Leeds program more suited to my profile, but in the wake of the PSW closure, I am trying to evaluate which one of the mentioned schools has better post MBA employment potential - not only regionally, but globally as well. I am from India, and I do require a visa. I was so hell-bent on UK that I did not even consider applying elsewhere, and now I cant afford to waste another year. It is either Leeds or Nottingham for me. I have Strathclyde as well but they demand a GMAT 600; mine is 500 (3 years ago), and I cannot take the exam again because of work. Have an interview with Birmingham on 19th, but I guess they'll offer me the 21-month program. Yea, so it is Leeds or Nottingham.

Both have been sliding down in the rankings in the last few years. Nottingham has the campus, and the reputation but Leeds is better in rankings, and it is a bigger city as well. Nottingham city does have a bad reputation though; something that goes by the name of "shottingham"......lol
<blockquote>Leeds ranks higher, but ranking isn't everything since both schools have solid international reputations. Of course your decision also depends on the courses you would like to take, so have a close look at each program. It might also depend on the atmosphere you're looking for. In terms of better job opportunities, I would say they're pretty equal, it really depends on you and in which direction you would like to push your career. Where are you from? Do you have to apply for a visa? This might also influence your decision.</blockquote> Hi Finlay, I find the Leeds program more suited to my profile, but in the wake of the PSW closure, I am trying to evaluate which one of the mentioned schools has better post MBA employment potential - not only regionally, but globally as well. I am from India, and I do require a visa. I was so hell-bent on UK that I did not even consider applying elsewhere, and now I cant afford to waste another year. It is either Leeds or Nottingham for me. I have Strathclyde as well but they demand a GMAT 600; mine is 500 (3 years ago), and I cannot take the exam again because of work. Have an interview with Birmingham on 19th, but I guess they'll offer me the 21-month program. Yea, so it is Leeds or Nottingham. Both have been sliding down in the rankings in the last few years. Nottingham has the campus, and the reputation but Leeds is better in rankings, and it is a bigger city as well. Nottingham city does have a bad reputation though; something that goes by the name of "shottingham"......lol

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Apr 13, 2011 11:09

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Well, it seems like you're leaning more towards Leeds. I would advise you to choose the school and the city you feel more comfortable with. If you prefer the bigger city of Leeds, it might be the best choice.
Well, it seems like you're leaning more towards Leeds. I would advise you to choose the school and the city you feel more comfortable with. If you prefer the bigger city of Leeds, it might be the best choice.

Apr 13, 2011 01:03

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I wish I could lean towards one, ASAP. lol.

The problem is that there isn't much to choose between the two, so I am looking at various other factors like accommodation, facilities, worldwide presence, alumni network etc. I was of the view that Leeds is better, but most people seem to think otherwise.

I am trying to collect as much information as possible before I make a decision. I would appreciate any further inputs!
I wish I could lean towards one, ASAP. lol. The problem is that there isn't much to choose between the two, so I am looking at various other factors like accommodation, facilities, worldwide presence, alumni network etc. I was of the view that Leeds is better, but most people seem to think otherwise. I am trying to collect as much information as possible before I make a decision. I would appreciate any further inputs!

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Apr 13, 2011 01:46

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Yes, these decisions are always difficult. From looking at other opinions online, it seems the vote is split. So I suppose it depends on you personally, as in what type of city you feel most comfortable in, your budget, and what the school can offer you in terms of its facilities, as you mentioned. Have you visited each one? Or perhaps talked to Alumni from each? Sometimes a real personal account can be convincing.
Yes, these decisions are always difficult. From looking at other opinions online, it seems the vote is split. So I suppose it depends on you personally, as in what type of city you feel most comfortable in, your budget, and what the school can offer you in terms of its facilities, as you mentioned. Have you visited each one? Or perhaps talked to Alumni from each? Sometimes a real personal account can be convincing.

Apr 13, 2011 02:42

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I spoke to a few friends in both the unis, and as expected, they think both schools are equally matched in terms of MBA. That said, Notts rank higher (and have ranked higher, consistently) over Leeds in the UK League Tables. We are talking about Guardian, The Complete University Guide, and Times Good University Guide.

Reputation-wise also, Notts have a sizable edge over Leeds because of their (international presence) foreign campuses in China, Malaysia, and Singapore. Coupled with their presence on the internet, Notts are the favourite among employers.

Leeds on the other hand has a well balanced MBA program, a proven track record, and are still present in the FT and the Economist rankings (for MBA). The students union is the best in UK, and Leeds is (as you said) on of the biggest cities in UK.

Location-wise, both are far off from London, so that is not a factor. The more I analyze, the more confusing it gets. The best thing to do is wait for a couple of days more and then go with the gut feeling. lol
I spoke to a few friends in both the unis, and as expected, they think both schools are equally matched in terms of MBA. That said, Notts rank higher (and have ranked higher, consistently) over Leeds in the UK League Tables. We are talking about Guardian, The Complete University Guide, and Times Good University Guide. Reputation-wise also, Notts have a sizable edge over Leeds because of their (international presence) foreign campuses in China, Malaysia, and Singapore. Coupled with their presence on the internet, Notts are the favourite among employers. Leeds on the other hand has a well balanced MBA program, a proven track record, and are still present in the FT and the Economist rankings (for MBA). The students union is the best in UK, and Leeds is (as you said) on of the biggest cities in UK. Location-wise, both are far off from London, so that is not a factor. The more I analyze, the more confusing it gets. The best thing to do is wait for a couple of days more and then go with the gut feeling. lol

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Apr 19, 2011 02:49

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You don't want to hear this, but I suggest you get into the best programme you can. Wait until things are easier at work and then retake the GMAT.

You have to compare the MBA programmes, not the rankings which reflect all the undergraduate programmes. Nottingham has one edge: its concentration in finance. Otherwise, Leeds looks like a better programme, and seems to have specialist MBA careers people and hosted the recent MBA Careers Cervice Council meeting.
You don't want to hear this, but I suggest you get into the best programme you can. Wait until things are easier at work and then retake the GMAT. You have to compare the MBA programmes, not the rankings which reflect all the undergraduate programmes. Nottingham has one edge: its concentration in finance. Otherwise, Leeds looks like a better programme, and seems to have specialist MBA careers people and hosted the recent MBA Careers Cervice Council meeting.

Apr 19, 2011 03:09

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Hi Duncan,

Thanks for the inputs! How I wish I could delay it by one more year, but I can't. Commitments! lol

If I throw Birmingham in the mix, then how would you rate it?

I need to select one by the end of this week. For me it is now or never situation.
Hi Duncan, Thanks for the inputs! How I wish I could delay it by one more year, but I can't. Commitments! lol If I throw Birmingham in the mix, then how would you rate it? I need to select one by the end of this week. For me it is now or never situation.

Duncan

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Apr 19, 2011 03:48

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Birmingham looks better, looking at the FT ranking.
Birmingham looks better, looking at the FT ranking.

Apr 19, 2011 05:02

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Somehow I am very skeptical about Birmingham leading Nottingham and Leeds in the rankings. I say that on the basis of my own experiences during the application stages.

Leeds and Nottingham required me to answer 250 word essays on different aspects of my profile. In case of Notts, there were eight essay type questions and for Leeds there were three. In addition to the essays, I had to undergo quite a comprehensive interview with both the unis.

On the contrary, Birmingham required only the interview, and not any sort of essays. Of course the SOP was there, but that was quite a general description about me. (not as specific as the essays for the other two unis).

My question is: How does Birmingham filter the candidates to make sure they are picking the better ones? I know for a fact that anyone who would have gotten into Leeds and Notts through the same process that I did, will be at least decent, if not great! If I have work exp. - I am good for Birmingham. Is that the case?
Somehow I am very skeptical about Birmingham leading Nottingham and Leeds in the rankings. I say that on the basis of my own experiences during the application stages. Leeds and Nottingham required me to answer 250 word essays on different aspects of my profile. In case of Notts, there were eight essay type questions and for Leeds there were three. In addition to the essays, I had to undergo quite a comprehensive interview with both the unis. On the contrary, Birmingham required only the interview, and not any sort of essays. Of course the SOP was there, but that was quite a general description about me. (not as specific as the essays for the other two unis). My question is: How does Birmingham filter the candidates to make sure they are picking the better ones? I know for a fact that anyone who would have gotten into Leeds and Notts through the same process that I did, will be at least decent, if not great! If I have work exp. - I am good for Birmingham. Is that the case?

Apr 19, 2011 07:22

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nottingham....
nottingham....

Apr 19, 2011 08:57

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and you would say that on the basis of?
and you would say that on the basis of?

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Apr 19, 2011 09:32

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Asif, that's a good point about Birmingham - and it was also my experience when I applied there ten years ago. Maybe Leeds is a better bet. What sort of employment are you looking for, and what electives? Perhaps a larger school is better?
Asif, that's a good point about Birmingham - and it was also my experience when I applied there ten years ago. Maybe Leeds is a better bet. What sort of employment are you looking for, and what electives? Perhaps a larger school is better?

Apr 19, 2011 11:36

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Birmingham has another big plus-point though!

Fees: Bir =18000; Leeds = 20500; Notts = 20000

I am a website content writer / internet marketer / search engine optimizer by profession. In the General MBA program I am also looking at electives like international marketing / project management / information management / knowledge management. Quite honestly, Birmingham and Leeds have a program that is suited to my needs.
Birmingham has another big plus-point though! Fees: Bir =18000; Leeds = 20500; Notts = 20000 I am a website content writer / internet marketer / search engine optimizer by profession. In the General MBA program I am also looking at electives like international marketing / project management / information management / knowledge management. Quite honestly, Birmingham and Leeds have a program that is suited to my needs.

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Apr 20, 2011 01:24

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Asif,

Just one thought. In terms of pedagogy I prefer the Leeds approach. However, its fall out of the FT 100 has hit the programme hard in terms of applicants and momentum. Birmingham is much stronger for marketing, and has a specialist MSc in marketing as well.
Asif, Just one thought. In terms of pedagogy I prefer the Leeds approach. However, its fall out of the FT 100 has hit the programme hard in terms of applicants and momentum. Birmingham is much stronger for marketing, and has a specialist MSc in marketing as well.

Apr 20, 2011 10:03

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honestly they are on the same level when compared..........go for what you want........i said nottingham coz it had some good record of placement in past years....
honestly they are on the same level when compared..........go for what you want........i said nottingham coz it had some good record of placement in past years....

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Apr 20, 2011 03:20

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My vote is with Leeds! The fees are slightly higher but it's a larger school in a bigger city with a solid reputation, regardless of dropping out of the FT 100. As we said, rankings are not everything. It also seems like you're looking to build up your general management skills and Leeds has a well-rounded MBA. Their requirements for acceptance, compared to Birmingham as you noted, might also tell you something about its standards as an institute.
My vote is with Leeds! The fees are slightly higher but it's a larger school in a bigger city with a solid reputation, regardless of dropping out of the FT 100. As we said, rankings are not everything. It also seems like you're looking to build up your general management skills and Leeds has a well-rounded MBA. Their requirements for acceptance, compared to Birmingham as you noted, might also tell you something about its standards as an institute.

Apr 22, 2011 10:18

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Thank you all for the inputs!

I will make a decision in a few days. I guess there are some very valid points in this discussion.
Thank you all for the inputs! I will make a decision in a few days. I guess there are some very valid points in this discussion.

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Apr 26, 2011 01:24

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Asif,

I have chosen nottingham...1 or 2 points up or down in the FT rankings dont count much...its the average of the years.

Neha
Asif, I have chosen nottingham...1 or 2 points up or down in the FT rankings dont count much...its the average of the years. Neha

May 01, 2011 11:28

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Dear All,

Even after another week of discussions with people and some more research, I am still finding it hard to choose between Leeds and Birmingham. I guess I have cancelled out Nottingham as most of their "current" reputation and ranking (as a B-School) is based on their undergrad courses in Economics, Finance, Business and MSc degrees etc. (not the full-time MBA). We are looking for a good MBA program and not just a good B-School.

Between Leeds and Birmingham, factors like Fees, Location, Size of Alumni, Employability (after MBA), Ranking, Reputation, Size, Industry Links, Class Diversity, Course Content all point towards Birmingham.....the only factor pointing towards Leeds is that it had the FT audit in 2010 whereas Birmingham had it in 2007 (pre-recession).

More opinions needed, fellas!!! Will finalize before Friday :)
Dear All, Even after another week of discussions with people and some more research, I am still finding it hard to choose between Leeds and Birmingham. I guess I have cancelled out Nottingham as most of their "current" reputation and ranking (as a B-School) is based on their undergrad courses in Economics, Finance, Business and MSc degrees etc. (not the full-time MBA). We are looking for a good MBA program and not just a good B-School. Between Leeds and Birmingham, factors like Fees, Location, Size of Alumni, Employability (after MBA), Ranking, Reputation, Size, Industry Links, Class Diversity, Course Content all point towards Birmingham.....the only factor pointing towards Leeds is that it had the FT audit in 2010 whereas Birmingham had it in 2007 (pre-recession). More opinions needed, fellas!!! Will finalize before Friday :)

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May 02, 2011 12:44

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I think Birmingham is the sensible choice, and Leeds is a risky one. Leeds' ranking is really unstable and that has big impact on the quality of students and recruiters. The two MBAs are very similar in content. Looking at the FT ranking, Birmingham is ahead on ranking; salary; value; careers; placements; employment; women faculty, broad and students; international faculty, experience, mobility and students...

Leeds has more British students and much less regional competiton than Birmingham, considering that, careers and placement scores at Leeds are surprisingly low. But the reality is that the West Midlands is really central for job hunting and the economic situation in the private sector is almost certainly much better than in West Yorkshire.

The Bimmingham campus is also prettier.
I think Birmingham is the sensible choice, and Leeds is a risky one. Leeds' ranking is really unstable and that has big impact on the quality of students and recruiters. The two MBAs are very similar in content. Looking at the FT ranking, Birmingham is ahead on ranking; salary; value; careers; placements; employment; women faculty, broad and students; international faculty, experience, mobility and students... Leeds has more British students and much less regional competiton than Birmingham, considering that, careers and placement scores at Leeds are surprisingly low. But the reality is that the West Midlands is really central for job hunting and the economic situation in the private sector is almost certainly much better than in West Yorkshire. The Bimmingham campus is also prettier.

May 19, 2011 09:51

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Hi Duncan,

I agree with you; reputation-wise Birmingham is much better and I finally seem to be arriving at a decision based on a bit of research.

That said, I am yet to receive the offer letter from Birmingham. I received an Email from their admissions department confirming that an unconditional offer will be made in due course......but it has been 3 weeks now. Their portal also has the same message displayed. I checked with them today and it turns out that there's a backlog of applications queued over the easter break, and it might still take some time.

Although my Nottingham offer has lapsed in the process, I have received an offer from Strathclyde now (they have waived off my low GMAT score). Birmingham's snail paced admissions procedure is compelling me to take the SBS offer, or perhaps the Leeds one. The confusion starts all over again :)
Hi Duncan, I agree with you; reputation-wise Birmingham is much better and I finally seem to be arriving at a decision based on a bit of research. That said, I am yet to receive the offer letter from Birmingham. I received an Email from their admissions department confirming that an unconditional offer will be made in due course......but it has been 3 weeks now. Their portal also has the same message displayed. I checked with them today and it turns out that there's a backlog of applications queued over the easter break, and it might still take some time. Although my Nottingham offer has lapsed in the process, I have received an offer from Strathclyde now (they have waived off my low GMAT score). Birmingham's snail paced admissions procedure is compelling me to take the SBS offer, or perhaps the Leeds one. The confusion starts all over again :)

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May 19, 2011 10:02

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Maybe you should take Strathclyde. It's higher ranked and better value when you think of salary. Bur Birmingham is rising in the baking and Strathclyde is falling. And Strathclyde is really an export school, not really serving the UK labour market. Personally, I would take Birmingham at their word. Explain the situation to them and ask them to confirm you quickly.
Maybe you should take Strathclyde. It's higher ranked and better value when you think of salary. Bur Birmingham is rising in the baking and Strathclyde is falling. And Strathclyde is really an export school, not really serving the UK labour market. Personally, I would take Birmingham at their word. Explain the situation to them and ask them to confirm you quickly.

May 19, 2011 10:36

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I did explain my case to them but I guess they must be really busy sorting out the applications (judging by the fact that they did not make any extra effort to help out a potential student). Their answer was "wait!".

The few problems I have with Strathclyde are their concentration on strategic management (subsequent lack of marketing electives), and their lack of student diversity. During the interview with Strath, I expressed my concerns over the diversity issue; to which the lady over the phone confirmed that the high concentration of Indian and Chinese students on the MBA program is due to the demand. From my perspective, it really does mean that they make no effort whatsoever to maintain a diverse cohort. They cave in to the demand. My friends in Strath tell me that the current class has more than 80% Indians. The rest are Chinese!

I also hear that Birmingham as a city is much better than Glasgow on most counts. In terms of Fees: Bham is 18000 and Strath is 23500. I guess Bham is worth a li'l more wait!
I did explain my case to them but I guess they must be really busy sorting out the applications (judging by the fact that they did not make any extra effort to help out a potential student). Their answer was "wait!". The few problems I have with Strathclyde are their concentration on strategic management (subsequent lack of marketing electives), and their lack of student diversity. During the interview with Strath, I expressed my concerns over the diversity issue; to which the lady over the phone confirmed that the high concentration of Indian and Chinese students on the MBA program is due to the demand. From my perspective, it really does mean that they make no effort whatsoever to maintain a diverse cohort. They cave in to the demand. My friends in Strath tell me that the current class has more than 80% Indians. The rest are Chinese! I also hear that Birmingham as a city is much better than Glasgow on most counts. In terms of Fees: Bham is 18000 and Strath is 23500. I guess Bham is worth a li'l more wait!

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May 20, 2011 01:51

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If it was me, I would chose Birmingham anyday over Leeds or Glasgow. The city, campus, business school and cohort will all be better in Brum. My friend did her PhD there, and it was a great place to be a graduate student.

80% Indians does make their average reported salary look interesting.
If it was me, I would chose Birmingham anyday over Leeds or Glasgow. The city, campus, business school and cohort will all be better in Brum. My friend did her PhD there, and it was a great place to be a graduate student. 80% Indians does make their average reported salary look interesting.

May 23, 2011 07:39

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Hi Duncan,

Then Birmingham it is! Received the offer today; will confirm by tomorrow, and fulfill the formalities.
Hi Duncan, Then Birmingham it is! Received the offer today; will confirm by tomorrow, and fulfill the formalities.

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Sep 25, 2011 05:33

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Hey Nazir,

did u already have started ur mba?
kind regards from germany
Hey Nazir, did u already have started ur mba? kind regards from germany

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