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georgep

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May 12, 2011 03:07

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Hi all,
After a lot of research, I decided to go for Durham - Global MBA by distance learning. Just got the unconditional offer today.

Key reasons for me:
1. Triple accredited
2. Top world ranking (their Full time) - FT 2011 ranking 55 - Economist 2011 ranking 55 ( Full time gives an indication)
http://www.dur.ac.uk/dbs/about/rankings/
3. No compulsory visit to the school - hence less opportunity cost.
4. Fee £ 14000 - Spread the cost - pay as you go model
5. Local exam centre - (I live in London)
6. Good internet technology in use - watched sample lessons.
7. Good curriculum and flexibility.
8. Reputed, "old" university.
9. Can be completed as soon as 2 yrs
10. The MBA degree issued is same as Full time/Exec. No marking such as DLMBA or eMBA or MBA (online) or MBA (by distance) etc.


My profile:
1. 16 Yrs of IT consultancy experience in EMEA region.
2. Can't afford to take off from work - or loose pay
3. Age 39
4. 2 kids - so no go for evening or weekend classes.

Other schools I considered and why did not go further.
I did not consider any non-triple accredited ones.

1. Warwick - Around 18 days off required to attend compulsory workshop. nearly a month off from work (in 3 years) - No London Exam centre - Opportunity cost!
2. Manchester - 30 days off :-(
3. Henley - 20 days off :-(
4. Strathclyde - 18 days off, No London Exam centre (or extra cost).

Key minus points for me:
1. The exams are conducted on Weekdays - I have to take day off (loss of pay) - Anyway all universities in my list have the same issue.

I am self-financing my MBA with no employer support such as paid day-offs, etc. So, I guess the value for money and to fit in my work-life - Durham fits the bill.


PS: I am not a PR or marketing guy for Durham. I am just letting my views for people like me.


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Update on 03/05/2013
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Wow!, this thread is still going well even after 2 yrs..

Please note that DBS has sharply increased the price to £19000.

http://www.dur.ac.uk/business/glc/mba-dl/
Hi all, After a lot of research, I decided to go for Durham - Global MBA by distance learning. Just got the unconditional offer today. Key reasons for me: 1. Triple accredited 2. Top world ranking (their Full time) - FT 2011 ranking 55 - Economist 2011 ranking 55 ( Full time gives an indication) http://www.dur.ac.uk/dbs/about/rankings/ 3. No compulsory visit to the school - hence less opportunity cost. 4. Fee £ 14000 - Spread the cost - pay as you go model 5. Local exam centre - (I live in London) 6. Good internet technology in use - watched sample lessons. 7. Good curriculum and flexibility. 8. Reputed, "old" university. 9. Can be completed as soon as 2 yrs 10. The MBA degree issued is same as Full time/Exec. No marking such as DLMBA or eMBA or MBA (online) or MBA (by distance) etc. My profile: 1. 16 Yrs of IT consultancy experience in EMEA region. 2. Can't afford to take off from work - or loose pay 3. Age 39 4. 2 kids - so no go for evening or weekend classes. Other schools I considered and why did not go further. I did not consider any non-triple accredited ones. 1. Warwick - Around 18 days off required to attend compulsory workshop. nearly a month off from work (in 3 years) - No London Exam centre - Opportunity cost! 2. Manchester - 30 days off :-( 3. Henley - 20 days off :-( 4. Strathclyde - 18 days off, No London Exam centre (or extra cost). Key minus points for me: 1. The exams are conducted on Weekdays - I have to take day off (loss of pay) - Anyway all universities in my list have the same issue. I am self-financing my MBA with no employer support such as paid day-offs, etc. So, I guess the value for money and to fit in my work-life - Durham fits the bill. PS: I am not a PR or marketing guy for Durham. I am just letting my views for people like me. =============================== Update on 03/05/2013 ----------------------------- Wow!, this thread is still going well even after 2 yrs.. Please note that DBS has sharply increased the price to £19000. http://www.dur.ac.uk/business/glc/mba-dl/

georgep

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May 26, 2011 02:55

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By the way, I got admission now from Warwick and Manchester as well. But I am going to stick with Durham.

Anyone in this discussion board joined Durham this year?
By the way, I got admission now from Warwick and Manchester as well. But I am going to stick with Durham. Anyone in this discussion board joined Durham this year?

gaju1869

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May 27, 2011 02:25

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Although Distance Learning MBA will not mention it on degree papers ( which is most unlikely) one can not say that it was a full time. If you are in London I suggest please join at-least part time MBA where you will be attending classes on weekends. Distance learning MBA will not fetch you desired returns.
Although Distance Learning MBA will not mention it on degree papers ( which is most unlikely) one can not say that it was a full time. If you are in London I suggest please join at-least part time MBA where you will be attending classes on weekends. Distance learning MBA will not fetch you desired returns.

gaju1869

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May 27, 2011 02:13

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By the way, I got admission now from Warwick and Manchester as well. But I am going to stick with Durham.

Anyone in this discussion board joined Durham this year?

I too got an offer from Durham for its Full Time MBA but I preferred to join Henley since it is for Senior Managers with more experience
<blockquote>By the way, I got admission now from Warwick and Manchester as well. But I am going to stick with Durham. Anyone in this discussion board joined Durham this year?</blockquote> I too got an offer from Durham for its Full Time MBA but I preferred to join Henley since it is for Senior Managers with more experience

georgep

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May 30, 2011 08:52

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As I mentioned before I can't take part time/weekend programs. Henley is too expensive and opportunity costs are way too high. 20 days off work is required. Thanks for the comparison anyway.

I am clear on my decision. Durham stays at the top of my list.
As I mentioned before I can't take part time/weekend programs. Henley is too expensive and opportunity costs are way too high. 20 days off work is required. Thanks for the comparison anyway. I am clear on my decision. Durham stays at the top of my list.

georgep

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Jun 06, 2011 12:59

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Hi,
Anyone from emerging economy countries (BRIC) in this forum?

What do you think about the value of UK MBA such as Durham in your country?

Thanks for sharing your views.
Hi, Anyone from emerging economy countries (BRIC) in this forum? What do you think about the value of UK MBA such as Durham in your country? Thanks for sharing your views.

CANUCK

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Jun 06, 2011 02:28

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Right,

Just finishing the Warwick MBA...

Re your post and your list of items...

Durham: No compulsory visit to the school - hence less opportunity cost.

This is where I have issues as the interaction with students from around the world was invaluable and worth any days away from work, and out weights any costs. Trying not to go to Campus is costing immensely more than the few dollars in money, as well the contacts made are enduring. I still keep in regular contact with my September seminar team mates, and will continue to do so.

I have the two kids, dog, etc etc. but not IT as I'm in Marketing but I would suggest you are cutting yourself short from the benefits of attending Campus.
Right, Just finishing the Warwick MBA... Re your post and your list of items... Durham: No compulsory visit to the school - hence less opportunity cost. This is where I have issues as the interaction with students from around the world was invaluable and worth any days away from work, and out weights any costs. Trying not to go to Campus is costing immensely more than the few dollars in money, as well the contacts made are enduring. I still keep in regular contact with my September seminar team mates, and will continue to do so. I have the two kids, dog, etc etc. but not IT as I'm in Marketing but I would suggest you are cutting yourself short from the benefits of attending Campus.

gaju1869

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Jun 07, 2011 07:33

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I agree with Canuck I did my distance learning MBA 10 years before since I could not afford tuition fees at that point of time. I could reap the benefit of DL MBA to some extent but always wanted to do it full time by attending campus and decided to go for it now.
I agree with Canuck I did my distance learning MBA 10 years before since I could not afford tuition fees at that point of time. I could reap the benefit of DL MBA to some extent but always wanted to do it full time by attending campus and decided to go for it now.

georgep

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Jun 07, 2011 01:11

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I think you guys have valid points about attending campus. I have already compared all schools regarding this option.

Durham offers two on campus options at no extra fee.

1. Global MBA Summer School (one-week per year)
2. Global MBA Residencies (intensive modules on campus and exam workshops).

They also made it as optional rather than compulsory.

I think I will take your advice and attend a summer school, if I like it, I will try to take residency. Obviously the cost will increase- since it is optional I can always choose.

Thanks.
I think you guys have valid points about attending campus. I have already compared all schools regarding this option. Durham offers two on campus options at no extra fee. 1. Global MBA Summer School (one-week per year) 2. Global MBA Residencies (intensive modules on campus and exam workshops). They also made it as optional rather than compulsory. I think I will take your advice and attend a summer school, if I like it, I will try to take residency. Obviously the cost will increase- since it is optional I can always choose. Thanks.

CANUCK

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Jun 07, 2011 02:58

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Yes, even if you can't afford to go to campus full time the Warwick DLMBA does have an intensive September seminar where you are on campus for about nine days per year, invaluable. The course intensiveness and the syndicate seminar groups, as well as other times when you get to meet other students, such as meals, socially or otherwise, develops some lasting contacts world wide.

The Warwick DLMBA has been the ticket for me, I'm based in Canada, for reasons already posted here on FINDMBA within the two threads I have responded to so far.
Yes, even if you can't afford to go to campus full time the Warwick DLMBA does have an intensive September seminar where you are on campus for about nine days per year, invaluable. The course intensiveness and the syndicate seminar groups, as well as other times when you get to meet other students, such as meals, socially or otherwise, develops some lasting contacts world wide. The Warwick DLMBA has been the ticket for me, I'm based in Canada, for reasons already posted here on FINDMBA within the two threads I have responded to so far.

CANUCK

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Jun 07, 2011 02:58

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Warwick September seminar is included in yearly fees while obviously the travel, meals and accommodation are not, but then again they probably aren't included with other programs either.

I don't know much about the other school's programs but I've enjoyed and greatly benefited from my experience at Warwick, so I would recommend Warwick DLMBA from experience not from comparison of program outlines.
Warwick September seminar is included in yearly fees while obviously the travel, meals and accommodation are not, but then again they probably aren't included with other programs either. I don't know much about the other school's programs but I've enjoyed and greatly benefited from my experience at Warwick, so I would recommend Warwick DLMBA from experience not from comparison of program outlines.

georgep

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Jun 09, 2011 11:39

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Durham Business School
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I just completed the online registration process. Simple and straight forward process and friendly, helpful administration team.

I am allowed to complete the full programme on my own pace till 2016 (minimum duration is 2 years).

Registration fee was £375
For the first term I opted to take only 2 core modules - each costing me £1100.

So for the next six months all I pay is £375 + (£1100 *2) = £2575 (includes everything - books/materials, online, exams, etc).

For self financing student like me who doesn't like to take heavy bank loans, it is a great news. Pay as you go is a top plus point.

:-) "No loans to worry at the end of the programme" :-)
:-) Plus Value for money :-)

I haven't recived any course material yet. I am yet to attend online induction programme.

I will post more info as I progress through the course.
Durham Business School ----------------------------------- I just completed the online registration process. Simple and straight forward process and friendly, helpful administration team. I am allowed to complete the full programme on my own pace till 2016 (minimum duration is 2 years). Registration fee was £375 For the first term I opted to take only 2 core modules - each costing me £1100. So for the next six months all I pay is £375 + (£1100 *2) = £2575 (includes everything - books/materials, online, exams, etc). For self financing student like me who doesn't like to take heavy bank loans, it is a great news. Pay as you go is a top plus point. :-) "No loans to worry at the end of the programme" :-) :-) Plus Value for money :-) I haven't recived any course material yet. I am yet to attend online induction programme. I will post more info as I progress through the course.

CANUCK

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Jun 09, 2011 01:05

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Good luck with your choice, all the best!

Keep Warwick in mind if the other doesn't live up to expectations.

I'm busy researching PhDs now......
Good luck with your choice, all the best! Keep Warwick in mind if the other doesn't live up to expectations. I'm busy researching PhDs now......

georgep

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Jun 14, 2011 01:29

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Here is a good analysis of various distance MBAs, but there isn't details about my school of choice. It is refered in the comparison table at the end.

http://media.economist.com/media/WMBA/WMBA_Special_2010b.pdf

But I used it to eliminate some programmes such as Imperial, Open, Bradford, etc - before eliminating based on triple accredition.
Here is a good analysis of various distance MBAs, but there isn't details about my school of choice. It is refered in the comparison table at the end. http://media.economist.com/media/WMBA/WMBA_Special_2010b.pdf But I used it to eliminate some programmes such as Imperial, Open, Bradford, etc - before eliminating based on triple accredition.

Duncan

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The above linked report from The Economist is great! Aston and Warwick look best in the UK.
The above linked report from The Economist is great! Aston and Warwick look best in the UK.

georgep

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Jun 16, 2011 11:39

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I think any triple accredited school will do. There is good level of confidence in them. After that it is more of your choise based on personal needs and your career objective, etc.

In short, ask yourself what do you want to do with your MBA?
The answer will help you to make the correct choice. Don't be influenced by any of the marketing propaganda of any school.

As far as my choice is concerned, I know exactly what I want to do with my MBA and where I would like to end up and how long will it take and what are the other things required to get there.

Here is a true story of someone at my client site ..

I met him 4 years ago. He had 10+ years of IT consultancy experience in the UK.
One fine morning, he decided to do an MBA. He did lot of research and opted to go for a full time MBA at a top tier school.
He wrote GMAT and got good ranks and got admission at few top schools but decided to do at TopUK Business School
He resigned his job and joined. He completed the full time MBA with good ranks. Soon after the completion he joined a management consultancy.
Something must have gone wrong he did not stay there for more than 6 months, then joined another managerial role - this time in a bank.
Again did not stay for more than few months. Then, jobless for a while. He could not stay like that as the "prestigious MBA loan"
calling him to go back to work.

I recently saw him again. He is doing the same job at the same company with exactly the same salary that he had before his MBA adventure.
Only difference is that he has a "prestigious fulltime MBA" degree and must be having a 70K+ loan to pay (forget the 1 year opportunity cost and fulltime study expenses).
And he seemed to be happy with his job now!

I even started questioning myself, what did the MBA bring to him? Is it worth?
After a lot of self reflection, I realised that it is up to you. It is not the MBA that will change you, it is you and your goal.

The moral of the story .. "know thyself"

So, clarity in your goal is the key :-)

Good luck to every one!
I think any triple accredited school will do. There is good level of confidence in them. After that it is more of your choise based on personal needs and your career objective, etc. In short, ask yourself what do you want to do with your MBA? The answer will help you to make the correct choice. Don't be influenced by any of the marketing propaganda of any school. As far as my choice is concerned, I know exactly what I want to do with my MBA and where I would like to end up and how long will it take and what are the other things required to get there. Here is a true story of someone at my client site .. I met him 4 years ago. He had 10+ years of IT consultancy experience in the UK. One fine morning, he decided to do an MBA. He did lot of research and opted to go for a full time MBA at a top tier school. He wrote GMAT and got good ranks and got admission at few top schools but decided to do at TopUK Business School He resigned his job and joined. He completed the full time MBA with good ranks. Soon after the completion he joined a management consultancy. Something must have gone wrong he did not stay there for more than 6 months, then joined another managerial role - this time in a bank. Again did not stay for more than few months. Then, jobless for a while. He could not stay like that as the "prestigious MBA loan" calling him to go back to work. I recently saw him again. He is doing the same job at the same company with exactly the same salary that he had before his MBA adventure. Only difference is that he has a "prestigious fulltime MBA" degree and must be having a 70K+ loan to pay (forget the 1 year opportunity cost and fulltime study expenses). And he seemed to be happy with his job now! I even started questioning myself, what did the MBA bring to him? Is it worth? After a lot of self reflection, I realised that it is up to you. It is not the MBA that will change you, it is you and your goal. The moral of the story .. "know thyself" So, clarity in your goal is the key :-) Good luck to every one!

CANUCK

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Jun 16, 2011 02:09

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Yes,

Failure to plan is planning to fail.

You have to embrace the change otherwise more letters after your name will not make a difference. Embracing the change will not happen in 6 months, and you will most-likely not walk into an ivory tower corner office within that time as well.

WOW, 70+ debt for the MBA (could be 95+ at some schools) , DL is just as good, same degree, and many will respect you for trying to achieve it while still working.

I still personally stick with my recommendation of the Warwick DLMBA as the best choice out there.
Yes, Failure to plan is planning to fail. You have to embrace the change otherwise more letters after your name will not make a difference. Embracing the change will not happen in 6 months, and you will most-likely not walk into an ivory tower corner office within that time as well. WOW, 70+ debt for the MBA (could be 95+ at some schools) , DL is just as good, same degree, and many will respect you for trying to achieve it while still working. I still personally stick with my recommendation of the Warwick DLMBA as the best choice out there.

Duncan

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Jun 16, 2011 04:11

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I also think the Warwick MBA is a great choice, and I especially like the way you can go onto campus quite flexibly, and even move between the DL, PT and FT modes. I volunteer as an MBA admissions interviewer, and one thing that strikes me is that many MBAs have functional skills but not soft managerial skills, mainly because they are not actually involved in managing people. For those folk, any MBAs with intensive groupwork (which can also be part of a DL course) really can develop their capacities...
I also think the Warwick MBA is a great choice, and I especially like the way you can go onto campus quite flexibly, and even move between the DL, PT and FT modes. I volunteer as an MBA admissions interviewer, and one thing that strikes me is that many MBAs have functional skills but not soft managerial skills, mainly because they are not actually involved in managing people. For those folk, any MBAs with intensive groupwork (which can also be part of a DL course) really can develop their capacities...

CANUCK

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Jun 16, 2011 04:25

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Definitely because to move into management is to move into managing people. If you don't develop the interpersonal skills to interact with people, you will not be successful in applying what you learnt at the MBA.

The international interaction with the other students was invaluable for exposure to other nationalities and cultures.

Warwick DLMBA with on campus seminars worked out great!
Definitely because to move into management is to move into managing people. If you don't develop the interpersonal skills to interact with people, you will not be successful in applying what you learnt at the MBA. The international interaction with the other students was invaluable for exposure to other nationalities and cultures. Warwick DLMBA with on campus seminars worked out great!

georgep

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Jun 17, 2011 11:41

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Guys,
Soft skills are hard to develop, it has to be built over years.
Not that easy to pickup in a one week seminar.

Even a fulltime Oxford MBA could not develop that in student who lives at Oxford campus, eats and sleeps his MBA over a year with "world class" cohort. It is the fact.

Please be realistic. How could a one week Warwick (or Durham or any for that matter) seminar magically develop softskills? Do they have a "softskill magic wand"? and a spell such as "Implemete soft et international skills rapidmo..." that can be put on a DL student and he acquires world class softskills, international skills and cultural skills magically. :-) Is n't it false marketing?

The truth is that it takes years in the real world and on the field to develop such skills.

I have spoken to real C-level executives with MBA and got their expert views. They said the Exec Mgt skills are made of ..

1. Content ( your core functional skills) +
2. Management knowledge (acquired via MBA or experience over several years) +
3. Soft skills (acquired via parctical experience and/or coaching) +
4. Exec skills (acquired via exec coaching and experience )

I have got item 1 and currently building item 2. MBA is the right tool to build the managment knowledge "rapidmo".
Still a long way to go ...

No hard feelings guys.. It is very interesting to see all our view points.
We are MBA students/aspirants, if we don't wash, rinse and hang it dry, who else will?
Guys, Soft skills are hard to develop, it has to be built over years. Not that easy to pickup in a one week seminar. Even a fulltime Oxford MBA could not develop that in student who lives at Oxford campus, eats and sleeps his MBA over a year with "world class" cohort. It is the fact. Please be realistic. How could a one week Warwick (or Durham or any for that matter) seminar magically develop softskills? Do they have a "softskill magic wand"? and a spell such as "Implemete soft et international skills rapidmo..." that can be put on a DL student and he acquires world class softskills, international skills and cultural skills magically. :-) Is n't it false marketing? The truth is that it takes years in the real world and on the field to develop such skills. I have spoken to real C-level executives with MBA and got their expert views. They said the Exec Mgt skills are made of .. 1. Content ( your core functional skills) + 2. Management knowledge (acquired via MBA or experience over several years) + 3. Soft skills (acquired via parctical experience and/or coaching) + 4. Exec skills (acquired via exec coaching and experience ) I have got item 1 and currently building item 2. MBA is the right tool to build the managment knowledge "rapidmo". Still a long way to go ... No hard feelings guys.. It is very interesting to see all our view points. We are MBA students/aspirants, if we don't wash, rinse and hang it dry, who else will?

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Jun 17, 2011 12:58

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Hi George. I think it would be easy to read what you've written and conclude that the MBA doesn't develop soft skills and simply imparts knowledge. I don't think you really believe that, and I certainly don't. Certainly, an MBA isn't a guarantee of perfection. However, I think an MBA helps people develop in many ways, and the more there's group work there more it helps develop soft skills. I think that's because of what you also suggest: it's experience that develops soft skills. And, of course, soft skills are not like hard skills. You either know, or do not know, how to calculate a beta. But there are degrees to which soft skills are developed and maintained.

In my opinion, a key thing for some MBAs is to get away from narcissism, from the defensive fantasy of their own perfection. At top business schools, I come across this attitude a lot with applicants or students. People refuse to admit that their soft skills are weak. But, at the same time, imagine the impact of an elective on negotiation skills. Everyone feels and admits a huge benefit from that, and it shifts not just the skills but in a way one's whole attitude towards cooperation. That's one simple example of how education can shift a soft skill a lot. Another clear example is cross-cultural working culture: a small experience can lead to a big difference.

So, no, face-to-face work isn't magic. No-one said it was. But can be really helpful for people whose existing role does not allow them to develop their soft skills, and who otherwise might not be aware of their potential to develop.
Hi George. I think it would be easy to read what you've written and conclude that the MBA doesn't develop soft skills and simply imparts knowledge. I don't think you really believe that, and I certainly don't. Certainly, an MBA isn't a guarantee of perfection. However, I think an MBA helps people develop in many ways, and the more there's group work there more it helps develop soft skills. I think that's because of what you also suggest: it's experience that develops soft skills. And, of course, soft skills are not like hard skills. You either know, or do not know, how to calculate a beta. But there are degrees to which soft skills are developed and maintained. In my opinion, a key thing for some MBAs is to get away from narcissism, from the defensive fantasy of their own perfection. At top business schools, I come across this attitude a lot with applicants or students. People refuse to admit that their soft skills are weak. But, at the same time, imagine the impact of an elective on negotiation skills. Everyone feels and admits a huge benefit from that, and it shifts not just the skills but in a way one's whole attitude towards cooperation. That's one simple example of how education can shift a soft skill a lot. Another clear example is cross-cultural working culture: a small experience can lead to a big difference. So, no, face-to-face work isn't magic. No-one said it was. But can be really helpful for people whose existing role does not allow them to develop their soft skills, and who otherwise might not be aware of their potential to develop.

CANUCK

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Jun 17, 2011 02:43

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A long journey is started by taking that first step, you don't learn everything within that first step but will learn as the journey progresses. At least you have taken that first step in the right direction by opening up your horizons.

If you stay in your comfort zone i.e. interacting with the same people you will not have the opportunity to take that first step.

The 10 day seminars are intense going from breakfast together at 07:00 and going to sometimes 21:00 in the evening with lectures and syndicate group work. But it is the exposure to diversity outside of your comfort group that is invaluable, and the intensity is what can accelerate the experience, but you have to be looking for it to happen.

Agree, no magic, but incredible possibilities...
A long journey is started by taking that first step, you don't learn everything within that first step but will learn as the journey progresses. At least you have taken that first step in the right direction by opening up your horizons. If you stay in your comfort zone i.e. interacting with the same people you will not have the opportunity to take that first step. The 10 day seminars are intense going from breakfast together at 07:00 and going to sometimes 21:00 in the evening with lectures and syndicate group work. But it is the exposure to diversity outside of your comfort group that is invaluable, and the intensity is what can accelerate the experience, but you have to be looking for it to happen. Agree, no magic, but incredible possibilities...

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Jun 25, 2011 01:47

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I am in similar situation, and I work between Canada, US, Hong Kong and China. The only practical way for me to pursue a MBA is via distant learning.

I have received offers from Durham and Strathclyde, and am in the process of deciding between the 2. My main concern is whether there are difference in delivery of course content. i.e. which program provide more resourses on-line and whether the programs provide for on-line discussion.

At this point, Strathclyde seems to be a better choice for me, as I may be able to take some sessions in Hong Kong.

Where can you watch the sample online lessions for Durham?
I am in similar situation, and I work between Canada, US, Hong Kong and China. The only practical way for me to pursue a MBA is via distant learning. I have received offers from Durham and Strathclyde, and am in the process of deciding between the 2. My main concern is whether there are difference in delivery of course content. i.e. which program provide more resourses on-line and whether the programs provide for on-line discussion. At this point, Strathclyde seems to be a better choice for me, as I may be able to take some sessions in Hong Kong. Where can you watch the sample online lessions for Durham?

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Jul 01, 2011 09:11

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Hi cdrsteve,
If you want to see samples lessons from Durham, go to:
http://www.dur.ac.uk/dbs/glc/support-for-dl/
You can use the guest access to see a sample.

Regards
cl
Hi cdrsteve, If you want to see samples lessons from Durham, go to: http://www.dur.ac.uk/dbs/glc/support-for-dl/ You can use the guest access to see a sample. Regards cl

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Jul 03, 2011 11:21

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Thanks, CL

I am just wondering if there are any course sample for Strathclyde.

Just realized that I actually qualify for a fee reduction at Strathclyde because of my membership in CIMA.
Thanks, CL I am just wondering if there are any course sample for Strathclyde. Just realized that I actually qualify for a fee reduction at Strathclyde because of my membership in CIMA.

Magnet

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Jul 22, 2011 06:47

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Hi George;

There is quite a wide variation in what you get out of these courses; in many ways Manchester's is sufficiently intensive that it's a misnomer to call it a 'distance' course.

Good luck with whatever you do choose!
Hi George; There is quite a wide variation in what you get out of these courses; in many ways Manchester's is sufficiently intensive that it's a misnomer to call it a 'distance' course. Good luck with whatever you do choose!

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hello!
help me, please ...
does it worth having LSBF online MBA for 4500 GBP ?

Thanx
hello! help me, please ... does it worth having LSBF online MBA for 4500 GBP ? Thanx

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If you can afford an internationally-accredited MBA, then that will be much better accepted. Royal Holloway and Durham both have distance learning MBAs which are accredited by the AMBA. and are around 12,000 GBP. Durham is triple-accredited, and it would certainly be my choice if my budget was limited.
If you can afford an internationally-accredited MBA, then that will be much better accepted. Royal Holloway and Durham both have distance learning MBAs which are accredited by the AMBA. and are around 12,000 GBP. Durham is triple-accredited, and it would certainly be my choice if my budget was limited.

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Warwick DLMBA is triple accredited...

I'd it checking it out, just finishing dissertation and final assignments and I would recommend the Warwick Business School to anyone. I don't know about the others as it has been three years (part-time) since I did my MBA research but I haven't been disappointed!

If a school isn't triple accredited and highly ranked in multiple rankings, or not even ranked at all, I would be suspect and remove them from my consideration list.

Just my opinion...

CANUCK
Warwick DLMBA is triple accredited... I'd it checking it out, just finishing dissertation and final assignments and I would recommend the Warwick Business School to anyone. I don't know about the others as it has been three years (part-time) since I did my MBA research but I haven't been disappointed! If a school isn't triple accredited and highly ranked in multiple rankings, or not even ranked at all, I would be suspect and remove them from my consideration list. Just my opinion... CANUCK

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Hi Canuck,
how can you rate how do they
1) stimulate interaction among students
2) help your career (coaching, indications, opportunities, ecc)

I don't know if you are british but I m italian and I m sure that only few people here would give some value to such MBA.
I would be 100% available to relocate but this is not so easy if the BS won't help me a little
Hi Canuck, how can you rate how do they 1) stimulate interaction among students 2) help your career (coaching, indications, opportunities, ecc) I don't know if you are british but I m italian and I m sure that only few people here would give some value to such MBA. I would be 100% available to relocate but this is not so easy if the BS won't help me a little

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and is LSBF accredited by any organization, or by none ?
12K GBP is not affordable for me at the moment...
I am interested in LSBF, because for me (ciizen of Armenia) it is 4500 instead of 11500 GBP - that't the point :)
and is LSBF accredited by any organization, or by none ? 12K GBP is not affordable for me at the moment... I am interested in LSBF, because for me (ciizen of Armenia) it is 4500 instead of 11500 GBP - that't the point :)

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Its MBA is validated by the University of Wales (which is giving itself a pretty bad reputation) but it does not have international accreditation from any of the three key bodies.

You might find this thread useful:
http://www.degreeinfo.com/general-distance-learning-discussions/27657-jacksonville-state-university-12-month-online-aacsb-mba-what-am-i-missing.html
Its MBA is validated by the University of Wales (which is giving itself a pretty bad reputation) but it does not have international accreditation from any of the three key bodies. You might find this thread useful: http://www.degreeinfo.com/general-distance-learning-discussions/27657-jacksonville-state-university-12-month-online-aacsb-mba-what-am-i-missing.html

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Duncan,

thank very very very much for raeal help!
Duncan, thank very very very much for raeal help!

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HI,

I'm Canadian...

Warwick has online virtual study groups, syndicate groups at September Seminar, and online course team assignments, where you have a group team assignment to complete.

Make sure of the accreditation otherwise the MBA won't really be valued, in my opinion at least. You are spending a significant amount of money, and while it can be done for the experience, a payback should be expected. The payback would probably be equivalent to the employers estimation of the perceived value, to them, of your additional education = rankings, accreditation and reputation, and being widely known. This equals Warwick Business School at the moment in my opinion.

The employment question I really cannot answer as I have not required the services, but I have sure they are of the same quality as the rest of the program.
HI, I'm Canadian... Warwick has online virtual study groups, syndicate groups at September Seminar, and online course team assignments, where you have a group team assignment to complete. Make sure of the accreditation otherwise the MBA won't really be valued, in my opinion at least. You are spending a significant amount of money, and while it can be done for the experience, a payback should be expected. The payback would probably be equivalent to the employers estimation of the perceived value, to them, of your additional education = rankings, accreditation and reputation, and being widely known. This equals Warwick Business School at the moment in my opinion. The employment question I really cannot answer as I have not required the services, but I have sure they are of the same quality as the rest of the program.

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georgep

Can you please let me know why your friends at Said does not seem to succeed at either management consultancy or banking?

I have to admit to you that banking and management consultancy are full of intimidation kids screaming around with high egos and not very intellectual.

It might be the case.

Except from that good luck with the MBA, to be honest with you, with that much experience, I think half-of-the MBA modules could be your piece of cake.

Soft-skills? Duncan, what do you think? How do you develop those as an individual and how MBA helps you?
georgep Can you please let me know why your friends at Said does not seem to succeed at either management consultancy or banking? I have to admit to you that banking and management consultancy are full of intimidation kids screaming around with high egos and not very intellectual. It might be the case. Except from that good luck with the MBA, to be honest with you, with that much experience, I think half-of-the MBA modules could be your piece of cake. Soft-skills? Duncan, what do you think? How do you develop those as an individual and how MBA helps you?

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Soft-skills? Duncan, what do you think? How do you develop those as an individual and how MBA helps you?

I'd think this is where a distance learning program suffers, generally. I mean, even if the curriculum includes classes and strategies to develop soft skills, how do you learn them if you are not directly interacting with people?

Potentially there is some value in communicating with people electronically and developing soft skills over email, message board communication, and Skype chatting - all of which could be helpful in today's ultra mobile business world.

Anybody been through a distance learning program and can comment on this?
<blockquote>Soft-skills? Duncan, what do you think? How do you develop those as an individual and how MBA helps you?</blockquote> I'd think this is where a distance learning program suffers, generally. I mean, even if the curriculum includes classes and strategies to develop soft skills, how do you learn them if you are not directly interacting with people? Potentially there is some value in communicating with people electronically and developing soft skills over email, message board communication, and Skype chatting - all of which could be helpful in today's ultra mobile business world. Anybody been through a distance learning program and can comment on this?

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Right, I don't know if an MBA program can solve a lack of soft skills or experience in the management of people, no matter what the method of delivery.

Employment experience is where that will be developed, whether prior to or after the MBA program. It would not be reasonable to put all the weight of becoming an effective manager of staff at the feet of a school, you require real experience and not that within an educational program.

You do learn about ways of managing but a style of your own, that you are comfortable with, will be developed over time. A one or two year educational program added on top of nothing will not, and should not be expected, to lead to a "corner office".

An international distance learning program will allow you to complete an MBA program while you develop experience during your working day, from by applying the principles you learn from your courses.

Warwick DLMBA is very effective at accomplishing that objective.

Just my thoughts...
Right, I don't know if an MBA program can solve a lack of soft skills or experience in the management of people, no matter what the method of delivery. Employment experience is where that will be developed, whether prior to or after the MBA program. It would not be reasonable to put all the weight of becoming an effective manager of staff at the feet of a school, you require real experience and not that within an educational program. You do learn about ways of managing but a style of your own, that you are comfortable with, will be developed over time. A one or two year educational program added on top of nothing will not, and should not be expected, to lead to a "corner office". An international distance learning program will allow you to complete an MBA program while you develop experience during your working day, from by applying the principles you learn from your courses. Warwick DLMBA is very effective at accomplishing that objective. Just my thoughts...

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Canuck .. sorry to bother you again but I ve a question about Warwick.
Can you tell me which was the background of the students? Actually I work in an IT office of a medium sized company (around 500 people worldwide) where i m responsible of different projects (CRM, ABC costing, ecc) but definetely i m not the office/function manager!
I wouldn t be considered a loser in the class ... lol
Canuck .. sorry to bother you again but I ve a question about Warwick. Can you tell me which was the background of the students? Actually I work in an IT office of a medium sized company (around 500 people worldwide) where i m responsible of different projects (CRM, ABC costing, ecc) but definetely i m not the office/function manager! I wouldn t be considered a loser in the class ... lol

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No of course not...

I had a great experience, and a broad spectrum of courses and classmates. There are students with just as much diversity of backgrounds as of nationality, and I didn't meet anyone I didn't like! I may have been lucky, but a person that balances school and life develops time management skills as well as a flexible approach to life, and our fellow man and woman.

Life is what you make of it, live and learn, do the right thing not just doing things right, will carry over the transition to the next phase.
No of course not... I had a great experience, and a broad spectrum of courses and classmates. There are students with just as much diversity of backgrounds as of nationality, and I didn't meet anyone I didn't like! I may have been lucky, but a person that balances school and life develops time management skills as well as a flexible approach to life, and our fellow man and woman. Life is what you make of it, live and learn, do the right thing not just doing things right, will carry over the transition to the next phase.

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Hello all,
I am back after joining DBS to share my initial feedback. I been through induction process and doing 2 core modules for this term.

I think I made a very good choice. The quality of the material received and the level of support I am getting are very good. The books are published by FT and PrenticeHall which are actually written by DBS professors. Webminars are run by fulltime professors.

The cohort is world wide from Argentina, Brazil, USA, Canada, Mexico, Germany, UK, Italy, India, China, Japan.. truly global and from various industries such as IT, Banking, Retail, Oil, Army, Police, Broadcasters, Art, Gemmology, etc.. very good interactions through the online platform. In just 2 months I could see the big world out there from my little IT world.

But make no mistake.. It is not a walk in the park, very very demanding :-( .
Hell lot of commitment and it is a damn difficult subject (at least for someone with IT background like me).
No wonder why there are people start with high enthusiasm and drop off soon ..
Hello all, I am back after joining DBS to share my initial feedback. I been through induction process and doing 2 core modules for this term. I think I made a very good choice. The quality of the material received and the level of support I am getting are very good. The books are published by FT and PrenticeHall which are actually written by DBS professors. Webminars are run by fulltime professors. The cohort is world wide from Argentina, Brazil, USA, Canada, Mexico, Germany, UK, Italy, India, China, Japan.. truly global and from various industries such as IT, Banking, Retail, Oil, Army, Police, Broadcasters, Art, Gemmology, etc.. very good interactions through the online platform. In just 2 months I could see the big world out there from my little IT world. But make no mistake.. It is not a walk in the park, very very demanding :-( . Hell lot of commitment and it is a damn difficult subject (at least for someone with IT background like me). No wonder why there are people start with high enthusiasm and drop off soon ..

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By the way, I should mention that DBS ..
1. teaches learning about learning .. helps understand the psycological process of learning.. helps identify your own style of learning and helps build up that.
2. helps planing your learning schdule and streamlines the flow.
3. tutors encourage a lot of personal learning around the topic not just the handouts. They point me to specific top Journels, Articles, Web material, podcasts - even resources from other business schools ranging from Harvard to Bradford.
4. references to current business news/events as well as case studies from this year to the past 2 decades.

I don't know if others schools do the same.. but I am very pleased to see dynamic/hot content/topics and interactive support.
By the way, I should mention that DBS .. 1. teaches learning about learning .. helps understand the psycological process of learning.. helps identify your own style of learning and helps build up that. 2. helps planing your learning schdule and streamlines the flow. 3. tutors encourage a lot of personal learning around the topic not just the handouts. They point me to specific top Journels, Articles, Web material, podcasts - even resources from other business schools ranging from Harvard to Bradford. 4. references to current business news/events as well as case studies from this year to the past 2 decades. I don't know if others schools do the same.. but I am very pleased to see dynamic/hot content/topics and interactive support.

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Thanks for posting this, georgep. As somebody who is interested in distance learning programs, this is very helpful. If you can, please keep giving us updates on how the course progresses.

By the way, I should mention that DBS ..
1. teaches learning about learning .. helps understand the psycological process of learning.. helps identify your own style of learning and helps build up that.
2. helps planing your learning schdule and streamlines the flow.
3. tutors encourage a lot of personal learning around the topic not just the handouts. They point me to specific top Journels, Articles, Web material, podcasts - even resources from other business schools ranging from Harvard to Bradford.
4. references to current business news/events as well as case studies from this year to the past 2 decades.

I don't know if others schools do the same.. but I am very pleased to see dynamic/hot content/topics and interactive support.


Thanks for posting this, georgep. As somebody who is interested in distance learning programs, this is very helpful. If you can, please keep giving us updates on how the course progresses. <blockquote>By the way, I should mention that DBS .. 1. teaches learning about learning .. helps understand the psycological process of learning.. helps identify your own style of learning and helps build up that. 2. helps planing your learning schdule and streamlines the flow. 3. tutors encourage a lot of personal learning around the topic not just the handouts. They point me to specific top Journels, Articles, Web material, podcasts - even resources from other business schools ranging from Harvard to Bradford. 4. references to current business news/events as well as case studies from this year to the past 2 decades. I don't know if others schools do the same.. but I am very pleased to see dynamic/hot content/topics and interactive support. </blockquote>

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Here an interesting thread regarding the University ranking (not just the Business School ranking).

http://www.find-mba.com/board/20753

World ranking of UK universities:
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6 University of Cambridge
6 University of Oxford
9 Imperial College London
22 University College London
40 University of Edinburgh
68 University of Bristol
77 King's College London
79 University of Sussex
81 University of York
85 ****** Durham University *****
86 London School of Economics and Political Science
87 University of Manchester
88 Royal Holloway, University of London
90 University of Southampton
103 University of St. Andrews
120 Queen Mary, University of London
124 Lancaster University
128 University of Glasgow
137 University of Sheffield
140 University of Dundee
145 University of Birmingham
149 University of Aberdeen
152 Birkbeck, University of London
152 Newcastle University
165 University of Liverpool
168 University of Leeds
174 University of East Anglia
174 University of Nottingham
184 University of Exeter

Source:
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/top-200.html#score_OS%7Csort_rank%7Creverse_false
Here an interesting thread regarding the University ranking (not just the Business School ranking). http://www.find-mba.com/board/20753 World ranking of UK universities: ---------------------------------------- 6 University of Cambridge 6 University of Oxford 9 Imperial College London 22 University College London 40 University of Edinburgh 68 University of Bristol 77 King's College London 79 University of Sussex 81 University of York 85 ****** Durham University ***** 86 London School of Economics and Political Science 87 University of Manchester 88 Royal Holloway, University of London 90 University of Southampton 103 University of St. Andrews 120 Queen Mary, University of London 124 Lancaster University 128 University of Glasgow 137 University of Sheffield 140 University of Dundee 145 University of Birmingham 149 University of Aberdeen 152 Birkbeck, University of London 152 Newcastle University 165 University of Liverpool 168 University of Leeds 174 University of East Anglia 174 University of Nottingham 184 University of Exeter Source: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/top-200.html#score_OS%7Csort_rank%7Creverse_false

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Hi georgep after scouring the internet for such a long time trying to find an ideal MBA, I must say I found your posts truly inspiring (I posted my inquiry on a different thread, but Duncan suggested I search the board for more relevant responses). I am in the same quandary as you were just before you started your DL MBA last year. My profile is this: I am African, but lived and worked in UK for 10+ years and got naturalised British citizenship, 12 years working experience in civil engineering, good Bachelors degree from my home country and an MSc in Engineering from a UK university. Now moved to Australia for career progression. I already have my own professions accreditations (Chartered Engineer etc), and a good job as project manager in a leading company in my industry.

In terms of Business Schools, I have long heard about Warwick MBA and its reputation, and did attend an Open Day when I was in UK in 2010. Good programme. But then I started looking around for something else to compare with it. Thats when I discovered Durham, and maybe Imperial. Currently Warwick costs £20K, Imperial is £24K, but Durham is £14.5K. Imperial is out for me because I am suspicious about its value (i.e. the DL option only). The MBA has 10 modules only, with 8 core modules, 1 optional and the dissertation, and there isnt a great range to choose from for the options. Its ranked lower than the WBS one, but costs more. I would go to Imperial for my first engineering degree or any other MSc, but not MBA. So for me its either Warwick or Durham, which is where Georges suggestions have been helpful.

I am 36, with a young family and leaving Down Under. DL is my only option. I dont like this concept of having to attend school every year (for the Warwick option). Worse, if you want to take some modules on campus you have to pay more. Some have said you benefit from interacting with others. But lets be honest guys, the benefit really comes if you are on a full time course. You are already doing a distance learning MBA for a reason that you cant commit full time. I dont see how a few days a year on campus are going to make that massive difference. Besides, if you are doing an MBA chances are you can interact with people anywhere. There are work and industry functions and seminars which could help you. Besides, I am sure most it can be done online anyway we now live in a virtual world, dont we? Hera I am singing praises to George (and to Duncan for referring me here), yet I have never met them in person. If you are on the course, then I am sure you can establish more trust with people and exchange contact details.

Another thing which is making me tend towards Durham Global MBA is the cost. I know it now requires attendance on campus too, but thats only once during your course. I dont mind that, I can bring my family over in my second or third year. But you can also do some courses there for no extra cost. And for me personally, I have been lucky that over here in Oz, engineers salaries are way higher than in UK, and I am already earning well above the expected average salary of even some of the topmost MBAs. But for me the MBA is not about the money per se, its about learning and getting something that will be of use in my future career, but also has the reputation of a good school. Warwick ticks those boxes no doubt, but George has just convinced me that Durham does that too. Oh, another thing with the Durham is the flexibility to accelerate; I believe I could start with 3 modules per term rather than two, but slow down towards the end if I need to. The Warwick one is rather rigid in that respect.

I will be paying for myself as an MBA is not necessary for my current job. So the £6000 difference is a lot for me, and would only spend it if I thought the difference would account for much.

One question for George though, if you dont mind. What exactly do you mean when you say Durham has an academic MBA? How is that different from other MBAs. I thought you still need to read books and course material, then do the exams and/or assignments. I havent sent in the applications yet, but will apply to both Warwick and Durham and decide afterwards. I needed someone to convince me that Durham isnt bad, and I am happy I found one.

One final consideration; the problem with comparing MBAs from different schools is that no one has been to two MBAs, so one always thinks his/her MBA is the best (or worst) because they dont have the direct experience of the others. I have colleagues on the Warwick one, but I am somehow beginning to feel that it is over-marketed and there is too much hype about it. I hope its not the fact that their high ranking is getting to their head. Rankings fluctuate year on year anyway.

Finally thanks George, so much. I have read your posts, please keep posting them. Congratulations on passing your modules.
Hudson
Hi georgep after scouring the internet for such a long time trying to find an ideal MBA, I must say I found your posts truly inspiring (I posted my inquiry on a different thread, but Duncan suggested I search the board for more relevant responses). I am in the same quandary as you were just before you started your DL MBA last year. My profile is this: I am African, but lived and worked in UK for 10+ years and got naturalised British citizenship, 12 years working experience in civil engineering, good Bachelors degree from my home country and an MSc in Engineering from a UK university. Now moved to Australia for career progression. I already have my own profession’s accreditations (Chartered Engineer etc), and a good job as project manager in a leading company in my industry. In terms of Business Schools, I have long heard about Warwick MBA and its reputation, and did attend an Open Day when I was in UK in 2010. Good programme. But then I started looking around for something else to compare with it. That’s when I discovered Durham, and maybe Imperial. Currently Warwick costs £20K, Imperial is £24K, but Durham is £14.5K. Imperial is out for me because I am suspicious about its value (i.e. the DL option only). The MBA has 10 modules only, with 8 core modules, 1 optional and the dissertation, and there isn’t a great range to choose from for the options. It’s ranked lower than the WBS one, but costs more. I would go to Imperial for my first engineering degree or any other MSc, but not MBA. So for me it’s either Warwick or Durham, which is where George’s suggestions have been helpful. I am 36, with a young family and leaving Down Under. DL is my only option. I don’t like this concept of having to attend school every year (for the Warwick option). Worse, if you want to take some modules on campus you have to pay more. Some have said you benefit from interacting with others. But let’s be honest guys, the benefit really comes if you are on a full time course. You are already doing a distance learning MBA for a reason – that you can’t commit full time. I don’t see how a few days a year on campus are going to make that massive difference. Besides, if you are doing an MBA chances are you can interact with people anywhere. There are work and industry functions and seminars which could help you. Besides, I am sure most it can be done online anyway – we now live in a virtual world, don’t we? Hera I am singing praises to George (and to Duncan for referring me here), yet I have never met them in person. If you are on the course, then I am sure you can establish more trust with people and exchange contact details. Another thing which is making me tend towards Durham Global MBA is the cost. I know it now requires attendance on campus too, but that’s only once during your course. I don’t mind that, I can bring my family over in my second or third year. But you can also do some courses there for no extra cost. And for me personally, I have been lucky that over here in Oz, engineers’ salaries are way higher than in UK, and I am already earning well above the expected average salary of even some of the topmost MBAs. But for me the MBA is not about the money per se, it’s about learning and getting something that will be of use in my future career, but also has the reputation of a good school. Warwick ticks those boxes no doubt, but George has just convinced me that Durham does that too. Oh, another thing with the Durham is the flexibility to accelerate; I believe I could start with 3 modules per term rather than two, but slow down towards the end if I need to. The Warwick one is rather rigid in that respect. I will be paying for myself as an MBA is not necessary for my current job. So the £6000 difference is a lot for me, and would only spend it if I thought the difference would account for much. One question for George though, if you don’t mind. What exactly do you mean when you say Durham has an “academic MBA”? How is that different from other MBAs. I thought you still need to read books and course material, then do the exams and/or assignments. I haven’t sent in the applications yet, but will apply to both Warwick and Durham and decide afterwards. I needed someone to convince me that Durham isn’t bad, and I am happy I found one. One final consideration; the problem with comparing MBAs from different schools is that no one has been to two MBAs, so one always thinks his/her MBA is the best (or worst) because they don’t have the direct experience of the others. I have colleagues on the Warwick one, but I am somehow beginning to feel that it is over-marketed and there is too much hype about it. I hope it’s not the fact that their high ranking is getting to their head. Rankings fluctuate year on year anyway. Finally thanks George, so much. I have read your posts, please keep posting them. Congratulations on passing your modules. Hudson

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Hudson,

A few thoughts, after all I'm just finished the WBS MBA...

I wouldn't discount the face to face interaction along with case study analysis and team presentations for the September Seminar, and if you are "down under" then take some Face to face in Hong Kong or closer to home than in the UK, as well as some online courses which are different from distance learning courses.

I paid for myself and really liked the four payments per year to spread the cost out over some time, and not have to pay in a big chunk of money. Also, 5K difference is nominal versus the time that the MBA will help you with your earning power and management position advancement.

Rankings and reputations is what your new employer will see so make sure the program is triple accredited and has a good reputation and diverse student body. I am in regular contact with past students from around the world which could be invaluable in the future.

You are correct, that I can only comment on the course I have taken, but I did a great deal of research before I choose the WBS MBA, but I am very happy with my choice and experiences.

I wish you luck in your program research, and with your ultimate choice where you will be spending quite a bit of money, time, effort and sacrifice by yourself and your family.

Consider your options carefully.....

Cheers!
Hudson, A few thoughts, after all I'm just finished the WBS MBA... I wouldn't discount the face to face interaction along with case study analysis and team presentations for the September Seminar, and if you are "down under" then take some Face to face in Hong Kong or closer to home than in the UK, as well as some online courses which are different from distance learning courses. I paid for myself and really liked the four payments per year to spread the cost out over some time, and not have to pay in a big chunk of money. Also, 5K difference is nominal versus the time that the MBA will help you with your earning power and management position advancement. Rankings and reputations is what your new employer will see so make sure the program is triple accredited and has a good reputation and diverse student body. I am in regular contact with past students from around the world which could be invaluable in the future. You are correct, that I can only comment on the course I have taken, but I did a great deal of research before I choose the WBS MBA, but I am very happy with my choice and experiences. I wish you luck in your program research, and with your ultimate choice where you will be spending quite a bit of money, time, effort and sacrifice by yourself and your family. Consider your options carefully..... Cheers!

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Hi Canuck,
Thanks for responding to my post. I was reading your other post on the same subject, and they only confirmed what I already knew that the WBS DL MBA is the one to beat. Thanks for pointing out that I can do the face-to-face courses in Hong Kong, wasnt quite aware of that. It will certainly reduce the airfare, but still will need to take time off work at least one week per year. As you could probably tell from my submission, I am really trying to find excuses for foregoing the Warwick MBA. Its the time off work that worries me, and the fact that its compulsory every year. If it wasnt compulsory I would have to do it towards the end of my course, in the third year say. I understand even Durham do require you to come there too, but its a minimum of only once. So when I add these expenses, the difference for me becomes much more than the 5K (lost income included).
Like you said, I am still in the final brainstorming stages, so havent really made up my mind. All along I had been thinking WBS, until I came across Durham. Both schools are in the top 5 in UK, so thats a plus for me.
Finally congratulations on finishing your MBA at Warwick. I am sure it has opened a world of opportunities for you. And thanks again for willing to share your experiences with the online community. Its a great source of motivation for those of us still dithering on the river bank, instead of just taking the plunge!
Cheers - Hudson
Hi Canuck, Thanks for responding to my post. I was reading your other post on the same subject, and they only confirmed what I already knew – that the WBS DL MBA is the one to beat. Thanks for pointing out that I can do the face-to-face courses in Hong Kong, wasn’t quite aware of that. It will certainly reduce the airfare, but still will need to take time off work at least one week per year. As you could probably tell from my submission, I am really trying to find excuses for foregoing the Warwick MBA. It’s the time off work that worries me, and the fact that it’s compulsory every year. If it wasn’t compulsory I would have to do it towards the end of my course, in the third year say. I understand even Durham do require you to come there too, but it’s a minimum of only once. So when I add these expenses, the difference for me becomes much more than the 5K (lost income included). Like you said, I am still in the final brainstorming stages, so haven’t really made up my mind. All along I had been thinking WBS, until I came across Durham. Both schools are in the top 5 in UK, so that’s a plus for me. Finally congratulations on finishing your MBA at Warwick. I am sure it has opened a world of opportunities for you. And thanks again for willing to share your experiences with the online community. It’s a great source of motivation for those of us still dithering on the river bank, instead of just taking the plunge! Cheers - Hudson

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hmm.. after reading all the posts something tells me that CANUCK is just more than a Warwick student (if at all student in the first place). Are you associated with school in a different capacity? Tutor, Marketing, etc?

The reason being - if you were just a student you wouldn't have any issues in writing any other school name in your posts. I don't see in any of your posts a mention of other schools than Warwick. Usually PR guys write like this.

People like Duncan, Ezra, George, Ralph are ready to speak of, compare, recommend, discourage any school in any country :-)

.. Anyone thinking the same as me?

CANUCK,
If I am wrong, please write few words of what you liked/disliked in Durham, Aston, Strath (All triple accredited :-) DL programmes in your "great deal of research" before commiting to WBS?
hmm.. after reading all the posts something tells me that CANUCK is just more than a Warwick student (if at all student in the first place). Are you associated with school in a different capacity? Tutor, Marketing, etc? The reason being - if you were just a student you wouldn't have any issues in writing any other school name in your posts. I don't see in any of your posts a mention of other schools than Warwick. Usually PR guys write like this. People like Duncan, Ezra, George, Ralph are ready to speak of, compare, recommend, discourage any school in any country :-) .. Anyone thinking the same as me? CANUCK, If I am wrong, please write few words of what you liked/disliked in Durham, Aston, Strath (All triple accredited :-) DL programmes in your "great deal of research" before commiting to WBS?

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I think that's unfair. You don't have to pay a WBS alumnus to say good things about WBS; they have a vested loyalty to WBS, and Canuck hasn't hidden that. The Warwick Masters office does post here in their own name, and I don't think that Canuck is on the WBS payroll.
I think that's unfair. You don't have to pay a WBS alumnus to say good things about WBS; they have a vested loyalty to WBS, and Canuck hasn't hidden that. The Warwick Masters office does post here in their own name, and I don't think that Canuck is on the WBS payroll.

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Gentlemen,

I have no contact with WBS administration or the school in any way, especially since I have graduated. I am a Canadian academic and researcher, and any comments about other schools would be three years out of date, the time when I did the research. Sorry,sometimes people are just what they say they are, but no problem here...

Personally I had a good experience with WBS, current rankings are UK top 5, Europe top 10 and global FT a 27th position with triple accreditation. I choose WBS after researching many options (three years ago) and still recommend the WBS DL MBA, especially with the current rankings and revolutions that Dean Taylor is implementing, for those that want to do an MBA and keep working at the same time.

Everyone has to make their own decision, but the above should make people pause and consider WBS as a very viable option - perhaps the very best.

Just my opinion...

Cheers!
Gentlemen, I have no contact with WBS administration or the school in any way, especially since I have graduated. I am a Canadian academic and researcher, and any comments about other schools would be three years out of date, the time when I did the research. Sorry,sometimes people are just what they say they are, but no problem here... Personally I had a good experience with WBS, current rankings are UK top 5, Europe top 10 and global FT a 27th position with triple accreditation. I choose WBS after researching many options (three years ago) and still recommend the WBS DL MBA, especially with the current rankings and revolutions that Dean Taylor is implementing, for those that want to do an MBA and keep working at the same time. Everyone has to make their own decision, but the above should make people pause and consider WBS as a very viable option - perhaps the very best. Just my opinion... Cheers!

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I know I am skeptic. No offence intended though. Just trying to know the truth behind the criticism and the army of PRs..
"Warwick has at times received criticism for being too commercially focused, at the expense of academic creativity and diversity - Warwick University Ltd"
I know I am skeptic. No offence intended though. Just trying to know the truth behind the criticism and the army of PRs.. "Warwick has at times received criticism for being too commercially focused, at the expense of academic creativity and diversity - Warwick University Ltd"

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Hudson,

I went to Warwick twice as I did some online courses, you work online on team projects and do an assignment that combined are your mark - communicating by my.wbs or skype) this meant I applied for exemption from the last years seminar, so WBS can only be required to attend twice depending on your course selection. That would be just one more than the other school you are considering, and I remember that a FTF (face to face) may be a new requirement, but do that in Hong Kong, and you have to confirm that.

Sorry if I come across as being bias to WBS but I did the research (three years ago), completed the program, enjoyed it and my diverse group of fellow students, and felt it was a good financial move, particularly against North American tuition costs.

Any other questions, just post them....

Cheers!
Hudson, I went to Warwick twice as I did some online courses, you work online on team projects and do an assignment that combined are your mark - communicating by my.wbs or skype) this meant I applied for exemption from the last years seminar, so WBS can only be required to attend twice depending on your course selection. That would be just one more than the other school you are considering, and I remember that a FTF (face to face) may be a new requirement, but do that in Hong Kong, and you have to confirm that. Sorry if I come across as being bias to WBS but I did the research (three years ago), completed the program, enjoyed it and my diverse group of fellow students, and felt it was a good financial move, particularly against North American tuition costs. Any other questions, just post them.... Cheers!

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realist,

No problem here... Canucks are a mellow bunch...

I'm only talking about my experience as that is all I can comment on now as my "Caveat Emptor" research is three years old, but the current rankings, accreditation, etc.are very good indeed.

but as I have said many times, we all have to make our own decisions based on our own circumstances....

Cheers!
realist, No problem here... Canucks are a mellow bunch... I'm only talking about my experience as that is all I can comment on now as my "Caveat Emptor" research is three years old, but the current rankings, accreditation, etc.are very good indeed. but as I have said many times, we all have to make our own decisions based on our own circumstances.... Cheers!

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I have just contacted the WBS admissions office and they said for the DL MBA you have to attend twice in the first year, and then at least 1 further time in the second year depending on your electives. In total she said you might attend 3 to 5 times over the duration of the course. I wonder Canuck how you managed to attend twice only?
For those of us not currently based in the UK, that is a big consideration. I will still send my application to WBS, but as it stands I don't think there will be much point. Which is a shame because their programme is very good, but they are making it more of a part time MBA rather than a Distance Learning one.
I have just contacted the WBS admissions office and they said for the DL MBA you have to attend twice in the first year, and then at least 1 further time in the second year depending on your electives. In total she said you might attend 3 to 5 times over the duration of the course. I wonder Canuck how you managed to attend twice only? For those of us not currently based in the UK, that is a big consideration. I will still send my application to WBS, but as it stands I don't think there will be much point. Which is a shame because their programme is very good, but they are making it more of a part time MBA rather than a Distance Learning one.

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I knew they were changing the structure somewhat but was not aware to what degree. I started in 2008 so I attended under different rules than those that are commencing the program now. The on campus attendance was a high point of the program for me, while cost to get there is a consideration. As you say it is a great program, and you should apply, and dig deeper into the current rules as I am not as up to date as admissions with the current situation. I think they are trying to increase the inter-student interaction as that is an important aspect for an international MBA.

Have to weigh things carefully with your personal situation, but WBS is growing in ranking, reputation and brand awareness so apply to it and others, and then evaluate the options with your family and employer.
I knew they were changing the structure somewhat but was not aware to what degree. I started in 2008 so I attended under different rules than those that are commencing the program now. The on campus attendance was a high point of the program for me, while cost to get there is a consideration. As you say it is a great program, and you should apply, and dig deeper into the current rules as I am not as up to date as admissions with the current situation. I think they are trying to increase the inter-student interaction as that is an important aspect for an international MBA. Have to weigh things carefully with your personal situation, but WBS is growing in ranking, reputation and brand awareness so apply to it and others, and then evaluate the options with your family and employer.

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Hi,

I asked for some clarification from WBS by Rachel Killian, and this is the response I received that she agreed could be posted on this forum; seems like it is good news for the program for new entrants:

Hi Dave

We did indeed restructure the DL course recently, and the July 2011 intake were the first to experience the revised programme.

In essence, what has changed is this:
i) Weve moved from a 12 month cycle to a 6 month cycle
ii) Weve removed the fallow period between January March (remember when you couldnt study because you were waiting for the exam results?)
iii) Weve moved the residential part (formerly Sept Seminar) from being at the latter end of each cycle to being within 10 weeks of the start of the cycle. i.e. if you start in January, you first visit us in March, rather than waiting till Sept.
iv) Weve integrated much more digital learning technologies into the programme, including moving to online study notes for the first time
v) Weve adjusted the role of the tutors, giving them much more pro-active responsibilities in keeping students motivated and engaged, including hosting regular wbsLive sessions
vi) Weve also included one 5-day module into the fee and are setting up a wider range of these to be held at various international locations.

Amongst the aims of these changes were to improve completion rates; in particular by shortening the study cycle into smaller chunks and getting people onto campus earlier so that they could connect with each other and us. By removing the fallow period, weve also shortened the programme from 3 to 3.5 years to just 2.5 years.

So, to get to your question. Yes, in the first year students would now visit us twice once in March and once in September. The first time it would be for 5 days and the second time for 3 days. In the second year, you would also have another Warwick Week (this time for 6 days). After that, there would no further requirement to come to campus though there is the opportunity if they so wish.

We initially thought that this pattern of attendance would be a deterrent for people who lived further afield and so put in place a second route whereby students could visit just once a year but for 8 days and this would then prepare them fully for their entire first year of study. But it wasnt a popular choice, with only around 10% of students choosing it. And the feedback from those students was that it didnt really work (not surprisingly, as it was an add-on rather than part of the original plan) and so it wasnt continued.

So weve got just the one structure and its going really well with great feedback from students. To the criticism that its more like a part time programme? No, not really just 8 days from 365. But yes, I can see that two trips are different from just one, though I hope that the benefits outweigh those disadvantages. Students want more and more interaction, whether it be online or otherwise, and they do especially value the f-2-f elements, as you know Im sure.

Hope this helps....

CANUCK
Hi, I asked for some clarification from WBS by Rachel Killian, and this is the response I received that she agreed could be posted on this forum; seems like it is good news for the program for new entrants: Hi Dave We did indeed restructure the DL course recently, and the July 2011 intake were the first to experience the revised programme. In essence, what has changed is this: i) We’ve moved from a 12 month cycle to a 6 month cycle ii) We’ve removed the fallow period between January – March (remember when you couldn’t study because you were waiting for the exam results…?) iii) We’ve moved the residential part (formerly Sept Seminar) from being at the latter end of each cycle to being within 10 weeks of the start of the cycle. i.e. if you start in January, you first visit us in March, rather than waiting till Sept. iv) We’ve integrated much more digital learning technologies into the programme, including moving to online study notes for the first time v) We’ve adjusted the role of the tutors, giving them much more pro-active responsibilities in keeping students motivated and engaged, including hosting regular wbsLive sessions vi) We’ve also included one 5-day module into the fee and are setting up a wider range of these to be held at various international locations. Amongst the aims of these changes were to improve completion rates; in particular by shortening the study cycle into smaller chunks and getting people onto campus earlier so that they could connect with each other – and us. By removing the fallow period, we’ve also shortened the programme from 3 to 3.5 years to just 2.5 years. So, to get to your question…. Yes, in the first year students would now visit us twice – once in March and once in September. The first time it would be for 5 days and the second time for 3 days. In the second year, you would also have another Warwick Week (this time for 6 days). After that, there would no further requirement to come to campus though there is the opportunity if they so wish. We initially thought that this pattern of attendance would be a deterrent for people who lived further afield and so put in place a second route whereby students could visit just once a year but for 8 days – and this would then prepare them fully for their entire first year of study. But it wasn’t a popular choice, with only around 10% of students choosing it. And the feedback from those students was that it didn’t really work (not surprisingly, as it was an add-on rather than part of the original plan) and so it wasn’t continued. So we’ve got just the one structure and it’s going really well with great feedback from students. To the criticism that it’s more like a part time programme? No, not really – just 8 days from 365. But yes, I can see that two trips are different from just one, though I hope that the benefits outweigh those disadvantages. Students want more and more interaction, whether it be online or otherwise, and they do especially value the f-2-f elements, as you know I’m sure. Hope this helps.... CANUCK

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Thanks Canuck for getting further clarification from Warwick. They indeed have changed their structure from a couple years ago when I went to Warwick for an Open Day. To be honest, I think their changes just make their programme even better for those who eventually enrol on it. I am sure for the majority of people, sacrificing those few days in the year is a small sacrifice considering the value of the program itself.
My only issue is that for there might be some people who will be put-off precisely because of the requirements to attend three times. For those people for whom an MBA is not an absolute necessity, the extra trips, time off work and extra costs all really add up, and they will look elsewhere for an MBA. I wasnt considering any other DL MBA myself because my mind had already been made up for the Warwick programme. But then I started looking around until I found the Durham program and the Imperial programme. My most important criteria for an MBA are the reputation of the program itself and, to an extent, reputation of the school. Both Imperial and Durham are within the top 5/7 in the UK, so thats why I considered them. But the Durham program is similarly triple accredited and a bit cheaper.
I wonder if WBS has considered the effect of these changes on those not based in the UK. Surely they will be some like me who would go elsewhere precisely because we cant travel to the UK that often. I know that living Down Under I am probably in the minority of WBS aspirants, but even a 3 day attendance is equivalent to almost 6 days away from work and family considering the time to travel and readjust to the time zones.
If I am not mistaken, the Manchester DL MBA underwent similar changes, to the extent that now you need to attend class regularly at some of their centres. They had one MBA I used to like, the Engineering MBA, coming from an engineering background myself. But after those changes I have never bothered to look at the MBS again. I hope Warwick wont go that route.
All that said, I am targeting a January start, so I still have time to re-schedule my work and family schedules, so havent totally ruled out WBS yet. Actually preparing the essays for submission in a couple of weeks. Will be sending to Warwick, Durham, and Imperial (even though I will unlikely go for this one). I also considered Bradford, but even though their MBA is good, the school isnt ranked highly enough for me. If anyone else on the forum or reading this going through the same thought process regarding WBS let us know.
Hudson
 
Thanks Canuck for getting further clarification from Warwick. They indeed have changed their structure from a couple years ago when I went to Warwick for an Open Day. To be honest, I think their changes just make their programme even better for those who eventually enrol on it. I am sure for the majority of people, sacrificing those few days in the year is a small sacrifice considering the value of the program itself. My only issue is that for there might be some people who will be put-off precisely because of the requirements to attend three times. For those people for whom an MBA is not an absolute necessity, the extra trips, time off work and extra costs all really add up, and they will look elsewhere for an MBA. I wasn’t considering any other DL MBA myself because my mind had already been made up for the Warwick programme. But then I started looking around until I found the Durham program and the Imperial programme. My most important criteria for an MBA are the reputation of the program itself and, to an extent, reputation of the school. Both Imperial and Durham are within the top 5/7 in the UK, so that’s why I considered them. But the Durham program is similarly triple accredited and a bit cheaper. I wonder if WBS has considered the effect of these changes on those not based in the UK. Surely they will be some like me who would go elsewhere precisely because we can’t travel to the UK that often. I know that living Down Under I am probably in the minority of WBS aspirants, but even a 3 day attendance is equivalent to almost 6 days away from work and family considering the time to travel and readjust to the time zones. If I am not mistaken, the Manchester DL MBA underwent similar changes, to the extent that now you need to attend class regularly at some of their centres. They had one MBA I used to like, the Engineering MBA, coming from an engineering background myself. But after those changes I have never bothered to look at the MBS again. I hope Warwick won’t go that route. All that said, I am targeting a January start, so I still have time to re-schedule my work and family schedules, so haven’t totally ruled out WBS yet. Actually preparing the essays for submission in a couple of weeks. Will be sending to Warwick, Durham, and Imperial (even though I will unlikely go for this one). I also considered Bradford, but even though their MBA is good, the school isn’t ranked highly enough for me. If anyone else on the forum or reading this going through the same thought process regarding WBS let us know. Hudson  

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There s an upside to Warwick's choice as well: it makes the DL programme more compatible with the other MBAs. If you think of the Durham programme, there are programmes with no group assignments or projects, few case study discussions and personal skills development opportunities. It fits a caricature of the analytical MBA with no people skills.
There s an upside to Warwick's choice as well: it makes the DL programme more compatible with the other MBAs. If you think of the Durham programme, there are programmes with no group assignments or projects, few case study discussions and personal skills development opportunities. It fits a caricature of the analytical MBA with no people skills.

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I'd consider the global ratings in ranking your options and not only look at the UK rankings, interaction with fellow students will help keep your motivation up, and active application of the principles prior to being tested is important as well.

Travel does cost money and time, but the program and program reputation along with application and discussion with diverse backgrounded students, that is part of the education. I had my kids stay in residence for at least their first year of studies, as meeting people and interacting directly as well as socializing is part of the experience and part of the qualification/skills earned to get the degree.

Perhaps consider the above as well...

I'm biased by experience but firmly believe a totally online course with no on campus experience is missing something from the equation - also don't get too stuck on the slight cost differences. The "brand reputation" is a substantial part of your purchase; on a global ranking where do your options place?
I'd consider the global ratings in ranking your options and not only look at the UK rankings, interaction with fellow students will help keep your motivation up, and active application of the principles prior to being tested is important as well. Travel does cost money and time, but the program and program reputation along with application and discussion with diverse backgrounded students, that is part of the education. I had my kids stay in residence for at least their first year of studies, as meeting people and interacting directly as well as socializing is part of the experience and part of the qualification/skills earned to get the degree. Perhaps consider the above as well... I'm biased by experience but firmly believe a totally online course with no on campus experience is missing something from the equation - also don't get too stuck on the slight cost differences. The "brand reputation" is a substantial part of your purchase; on a global ranking where do your options place?

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I'm biased by experience but firmly believe a totally online course with no on campus experience is missing something from the equation

I'd agree with this. As much as it is a lot of time and money to travel, the on-campus residencies add a huge amount to the learning experience, especially in terms of networking and soft skill development, which are cornerstones of an MBA experience. And when you think about it, the Warwick program only requires three trips to Warwick over the course of three years - it's not like you're travelling even once a month, as many people do in the case of EMBA programs or general management programs.
<blockquote>I'm biased by experience but firmly believe a totally online course with no on campus experience is missing something from the equation</blockquote> I'd agree with this. As much as it is a lot of time and money to travel, the on-campus residencies add a huge amount to the learning experience, especially in terms of networking and soft skill development, which are cornerstones of an MBA experience. And when you think about it, the Warwick program only requires three trips to Warwick over the course of three years - it's not like you're travelling even once a month, as many people do in the case of EMBA programs or general management programs.

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Agreed. Experience along with theory is what you get out of the MBA experience. The interaction between the right group of people can create much greater results than the input of each of the individuals alone. This on campus experience is a tremendous asset moving forward after completion of the MBA program, and not one to be discounted or belittled for a little extra expense. It is time away from home and family but so will studying and doing course work while still at home and working during the process. This is just another aspect, but a valuable one at that.
Agreed. Experience along with theory is what you get out of the MBA experience. The interaction between the right group of people can create much greater results than the input of each of the individuals alone. This on campus experience is a tremendous asset moving forward after completion of the MBA program, and not one to be discounted or belittled for a little extra expense. It is time away from home and family but so will studying and doing course work while still at home and working during the process. This is just another aspect, but a valuable one at that.

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I am convinced as well. That's why I will be attending this year Summer School at DBS - 8 days.
1. One intensive core module + workshop - 4 days
2. One intensive elective + workshop - 3 days
3. One leadership development workshop - 1 day

Interestingly DBS offers 2 times a year some 10days of various combinations of cores, electives, workshops. But Summer school seem to have a wide range of choices. All included in the course fee - inc some lunch/dinners - except travel and accomodation.

I am planning to attend the next International trip/project as well along with Exec, FT students. I did not take part in the last year's China trip.

Additional expense would be worth, I guess - but having it optional is the way I like.
I am convinced as well. That's why I will be attending this year Summer School at DBS - 8 days. 1. One intensive core module + workshop - 4 days 2. One intensive elective + workshop - 3 days 3. One leadership development workshop - 1 day Interestingly DBS offers 2 times a year some 10days of various combinations of cores, electives, workshops. But Summer school seem to have a wide range of choices. All included in the course fee - inc some lunch/dinners - except travel and accomodation. I am planning to attend the next International trip/project as well along with Exec, FT students. I did not take part in the last year's China trip. Additional expense would be worth, I guess - but having it optional is the way I like.

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The only comment I would suggest is that when some things are optional, its too easy not to do them. From tutor marked assignments,additional visits to campus, chapter questions, binder questions, self tests, etc. these are all there to support your learning, and while optional are invaluable to learning. If travelling and attending campus are optional then they can be rationalized as unnecessary, making it easier not to take advantage of them, when they are for your benefit!

We all can procrastinate but if it is required to get the degree then we have to force ourselves to benefit for our own good.
The only comment I would suggest is that when some things are optional, its too easy not to do them. From tutor marked assignments,additional visits to campus, chapter questions, binder questions, self tests, etc. these are all there to support your learning, and while optional are invaluable to learning. If travelling and attending campus are optional then they can be rationalized as unnecessary, making it easier not to take advantage of them, when they are for your benefit! We all can procrastinate but if it is required to get the degree then we have to force ourselves to benefit for our own good.

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The chief reason why people go on distance learning route is because they can't take excessive amounts of time from work and/or family. If you are on a full time job, you still have to take some days to study for and take exams. If you then have to take extra days for compulsory attendance you are almost using up all your Leave days. If you can do it, then no problem. But I have a feeling that a good number of people on the DL MBAs don't have that luxury. I certainly don't.
Remember too, an MBA is not - to state the obvious - a first degree. It is usually a second or third degree, and taken by people who either want to enhance their chances of promotion within the organisation, or to move elsewhere into different or more challenging career paths. So the value of any incremental sacrifice has to be compared against the expected benefits. Having an MBA is great, but not having one isn't a disaster.
From what I now know about the Warwick and the Durham MBA for example, I would say probaby Durham suits me better. If the fees difference of £5000 is of little consequence, certainly the two COMPULSORY attendances in the 1st year alone at WBS would tip the balance in favour of DBS. As georgep says above, having the flexibility or option to choose is key. One hopes people on DL MBAs will try and get some face-to-face attendance to maximise the benefit, but if they can't (and usually for good reasons), they still deserve a good MBA.
As an aside, DBS requires one compulsory attendance (either elective or core module or Durham Summer School). This format is almost the same as WBS had a few years ago when I started inquiring, possibly what Canuck was on. You only had to attend at least one September seminar. I still don't understand why WBS changed this to the current system?
The chief reason why people go on distance learning route is because they can't take excessive amounts of time from work and/or family. If you are on a full time job, you still have to take some days to study for and take exams. If you then have to take extra days for compulsory attendance you are almost using up all your Leave days. If you can do it, then no problem. But I have a feeling that a good number of people on the DL MBAs don't have that luxury. I certainly don't. Remember too, an MBA is not - to state the obvious - a first degree. It is usually a second or third degree, and taken by people who either want to enhance their chances of promotion within the organisation, or to move elsewhere into different or more challenging career paths. So the value of any incremental sacrifice has to be compared against the expected benefits. Having an MBA is great, but not having one isn't a disaster. From what I now know about the Warwick and the Durham MBA for example, I would say probaby Durham suits me better. If the fees difference of £5000 is of little consequence, certainly the two COMPULSORY attendances in the 1st year alone at WBS would tip the balance in favour of DBS. As georgep says above, having the flexibility or option to choose is key. One hopes people on DL MBAs will try and get some face-to-face attendance to maximise the benefit, but if they can't (and usually for good reasons), they still deserve a good MBA. As an aside, DBS requires one compulsory attendance (either elective or core module or Durham Summer School). This format is almost the same as WBS had a few years ago when I started inquiring, possibly what Canuck was on. You only had to attend at least one September seminar. I still don't understand why WBS changed this to the current system?

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Everyone has to make the decision of which school to attend based on their own rating scale and in line with their own situation, no question.

Being both a psychological and sociological observer of human nature, and based on my background, I would suggest that optional components make it easier to rationalize avoidance. This is only a general statement, and definitely will not apply to everyone.

However, face to face contact reinforces or solidifies the ongoing on line connection with fellow students as they work and study at their various locations around the world.
Everyone has to make the decision of which school to attend based on their own rating scale and in line with their own situation, no question. Being both a psychological and sociological observer of human nature, and based on my background, I would suggest that optional components make it easier to rationalize avoidance. This is only a general statement, and definitely will not apply to everyone. However, face to face contact reinforces or solidifies the ongoing on line connection with fellow students as they work and study at their various locations around the world.

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However, face to face contact reinforces or solidifies the ongoing on line connection with fellow students as they work and study at their various locations around the world.

Canuck, I agree with this. There only question is how do you do it? By your own account, you did attend two seminars at WBS (presumably one each year). You also said you asked for an exemption on the last one. That's the reality of distance learning. I believe one face-to-face attendance a year is OK, and I am sure people will see the benefit. But 3 times is too much in my opinion (might be 4 or 5 times or else you are forced not to choose some electives simply to avoid attendance). I think the benefit of the extra compulsory attendances is miniscule. In this digital age of Facebook, LinkedIn, Skype and the SmartPhone, surely there must be ways of minimising unnecessary attendance. I did once attend a WBS DL virtual "Open Day", and it wasn't bad.
<blockquote> However, face to face contact reinforces or solidifies the ongoing on line connection with fellow students as they work and study at their various locations around the world.</blockquote> Canuck, I agree with this. There only question is how do you do it? By your own account, you did attend two seminars at WBS (presumably one each year). You also said you asked for an exemption on the last one. That's the reality of distance learning. I believe one face-to-face attendance a year is OK, and I am sure people will see the benefit. But 3 times is too much in my opinion (might be 4 or 5 times or else you are forced not to choose some electives simply to avoid attendance). I think the benefit of the extra compulsory attendances is miniscule. In this digital age of Facebook, LinkedIn, Skype and the SmartPhone, surely there must be ways of minimising unnecessary attendance. I did once attend a WBS DL virtual "Open Day", and it wasn't bad.

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Yes, I went first year and second year for nine days each year, which has now been changed, then in third year I had only one course left for the third year seminar. I asked for an exemption as travelling to the UK for one day (one day per elective course back then) did not make financial sense for me.The exemption was not a guaranteed thing, the board could have required me to attend the seminar.

I believe currently you go twice in the first year and then once in the second year to WBS, but for much shorter periods of time than I was required to attend.

WBS is a good option, but everyone has to make their own choice.

Good luck with your final choice!
Yes, I went first year and second year for nine days each year, which has now been changed, then in third year I had only one course left for the third year seminar. I asked for an exemption as travelling to the UK for one day (one day per elective course back then) did not make financial sense for me.The exemption was not a guaranteed thing, the board could have required me to attend the seminar. I believe currently you go twice in the first year and then once in the second year to WBS, but for much shorter periods of time than I was required to attend. WBS is a good option, but everyone has to make their own choice. Good luck with your final choice!

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"Having an MBA is great, but not having one isn't a disaster." This is exactly my point.

If you are already 40+, no time off and/or family commitments, can't fit to ***any rigid time frames***. You are already senior/specialist, want something more than your peer, want knowledge, want different skills, want broader prospective, want differnet network (you already have a huge one in your field), and no rush - go for a flexible DL programme.

We never know, times and situations might change in the 2-6 year MBA period. You might want to go for a class room module, you might like to skip one f-2-f session due to all sorts of reasons, you might want an international trip, or you just want a term off (Actually I took off this term due to job change with increased responsibility, will accelerate next term) ..

.. having all sorts of options under the belt is handy.

In my search, Henly, Warwick and Starth did not appriciate this **flexibility** need. Manchester did not play this semi-flexible MBA game. They made it clear - you attend 3 days per module, if you can't stay away.
"Having an MBA is great, but not having one isn't a disaster." This is exactly my point. If you are already 40+, no time off and/or family commitments, can't fit to ***any rigid time frames***. You are already senior/specialist, want something more than your peer, want knowledge, want different skills, want broader prospective, want differnet network (you already have a huge one in your field), and no rush - go for a flexible DL programme. We never know, times and situations might change in the 2-6 year MBA period. You might want to go for a class room module, you might like to skip one f-2-f session due to all sorts of reasons, you might want an international trip, or you just want a term off (Actually I took off this term due to job change with increased responsibility, will accelerate next term) .. .. having all sorts of options under the belt is handy. In my search, Henly, Warwick and Starth did not appriciate this **flexibility** need. Manchester did not play this semi-flexible MBA game. They made it clear - you attend 3 days per module, if you can't stay away.

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Your post pretty much sums up my feelings on distance part- time/distance MBAs. One needs that flexibility with the option to intensify or ease-off both with attendance and work at home. You mentioned Warwick and others did not appreciate this flexibility? On what did you base this conclusion? (see my other post asking a similar question about commitment and flexibility)

In experience, online details do not address real-world use-cases and questions of real flexibility.

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In my search, Henly, Warwick and Starth did not appriciate this **flexibility** need. Manchester did not play this semi-flexible MBA game. They made it clear - you attend 3 days per module, if you can't stay away.
Your post pretty much sums up my feelings on distance part- time/distance MBAs. One needs that flexibility with the option to intensify or ease-off both with attendance and work at home. You mentioned Warwick and others did not appreciate this flexibility? On what did you base this conclusion? (see my other post asking a similar question about commitment and flexibility) In experience, online details do not address real-world use-cases and questions of real flexibility. BigD <blockquote> In my search, Henly, Warwick and Starth did not appriciate this **flexibility** need. Manchester did not play this semi-flexible MBA game. They made it clear - you attend 3 days per module, if you can't stay away. </blockquote>

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Just a quick note to everyone, esp Canuck, Ezra, and Duncan, I have decided to go with Warwick for my MBA, so will start in January. They have just offered me a place, and with it a scholarship worth 50% of the first year's fees. But it wasn't the scholarship that won it for me; I think those compulsory Warwick weeks that I was complaining about; everyone I talked to spoke highly of them. And the Warwick network is bigger here in Australia than most of the other MBAs. I also got offers from Imperial and Strathclyde, but have just declined them. Durham haven't responded yet, but I guess it won't matter anymore.
Thanks again everyone.
Just a quick note to everyone, esp Canuck, Ezra, and Duncan, I have decided to go with Warwick for my MBA, so will start in January. They have just offered me a place, and with it a scholarship worth 50% of the first year's fees. But it wasn't the scholarship that won it for me; I think those compulsory Warwick weeks that I was complaining about; everyone I talked to spoke highly of them. And the Warwick network is bigger here in Australia than most of the other MBAs. I also got offers from Imperial and Strathclyde, but have just declined them. Durham haven't responded yet, but I guess it won't matter anymore. Thanks again everyone.

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Hudson,

Enjoy the experience that is the distance learning Warwick MBA, and I am glad you are happy with your ultimate choice.

Dave
Hudson, Enjoy the experience that is the distance learning Warwick MBA, and I am glad you are happy with your ultimate choice. Dave

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Congrats - and be sure to stop by from time to time to let us know how things are going there.

Just a quick note to everyone, esp Canuck, Ezra, and Duncan, I have decided to go with Warwick for my MBA, so will start in January. They have just offered me a place, and with it a scholarship worth 50% of the first year's fees. But it wasn't the scholarship that won it for me; I think those compulsory Warwick weeks that I was complaining about; everyone I talked to spoke highly of them. And the Warwick network is bigger here in Australia than most of the other MBAs. I also got offers from Imperial and Strathclyde, but have just declined them. Durham haven't responded yet, but I guess it won't matter anymore.
Thanks again everyone.
Congrats - and be sure to stop by from time to time to let us know how things are going there. <blockquote>Just a quick note to everyone, esp Canuck, Ezra, and Duncan, I have decided to go with Warwick for my MBA, so will start in January. They have just offered me a place, and with it a scholarship worth 50% of the first year's fees. But it wasn't the scholarship that won it for me; I think those compulsory Warwick weeks that I was complaining about; everyone I talked to spoke highly of them. And the Warwick network is bigger here in Australia than most of the other MBAs. I also got offers from Imperial and Strathclyde, but have just declined them. Durham haven't responded yet, but I guess it won't matter anymore. Thanks again everyone. </blockquote>

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Hi,

Just wanted to reinforce your decision as Top MBA Connect has the following ranking for top world online MBA programs:

1.Instituto de Empresa
2.University of Warwick
3.Manchester University
4.Thunderbird School of Global Management
5.Indiana University
6.Imperial College
7.Durham University
8.Euro MBA
9.Penn State University
10.Temple University

See this at the following link:
http://www.topmbaconnect.com/mba-ranking/online-mba-programs-2012.html

More good news....
Hi, Just wanted to reinforce your decision as Top MBA Connect has the following ranking for top world online MBA programs: 1.Instituto de Empresa 2.University of Warwick 3.Manchester University 4.Thunderbird School of Global Management 5.Indiana University 6.Imperial College 7.Durham University 8.Euro MBA 9.Penn State University 10.Temple University See this at the following link: http://www.topmbaconnect.com/mba-ranking/online-mba-programs-2012.html More good news....

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Just wanted to reinforce your decision as Top MBA Connect has the following ranking for top world online MBA programs

Although this list has all the common contenders in terms of programs I'd expect, I'm not sure if I trust it as a real ranking. The methodology is not exactly scientific: besides having international accreditation and at least one graduating class, the only real criteria is that a school "is recognized by at least one of the MBA employers included in the QS Global Employer Survey."

If you look at the established traditional MBA rankings (FT, Businessweek, etc.,) you'll see that their criteria for ranking programs is a lot more specific than that.
<blockquote> Just wanted to reinforce your decision as Top MBA Connect has the following ranking for top world online MBA programs</blockquote> Although this list has all the common contenders in terms of programs I'd expect, I'm not sure if I trust it as a real ranking. The methodology is not exactly scientific: besides having international accreditation and at least one graduating class, the only real criteria is that a school "is recognized by at least one of the MBA employers included in the QS Global Employer Survey." If you look at the established traditional MBA rankings (FT, Businessweek, etc.,) you'll see that their criteria for ranking programs is a lot more specific than that.

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A bit surprise that UNC is out
A bit surprise that UNC is out

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Ezra,

I agree with you about FT etc. while this ranking was reported to me, and I just thought I would pass it along i.e. reason I gave the link so anyone could investigate it to their satisfaction...
Ezra, I agree with you about FT etc. while this ranking was reported to me, and I just thought I would pass it along i.e. reason I gave the link so anyone could investigate it to their satisfaction...

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Mauro, UNC isn't there because it hasn't had a graduating class.

Ezra, like The Economist's DL listing, it's the best they can do on the basis of the data they already have. So, it's a useful lazy ranking. From first principles, I'd imagine it would be weighted towards large programmes with a base in QS's employer base.
Mauro, UNC isn't there because it hasn't had a graduating class. Ezra, like The Economist's DL listing, it's the best they can do on the basis of the data they already have. So, it's a useful lazy ranking. From first principles, I'd imagine it would be weighted towards large programmes with a base in QS's employer base.

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Hi George! I'd like to thank you for the valuable information. Your researched information helped me in making my decision on joining the Global MBA program at Durham.

I'd liek to ask what conditional acceptance did you receive from the university if you dont mind sharing?

Thank you,
Rakhee.
Hi George! I'd like to thank you for the valuable information. Your researched information helped me in making my decision on joining the Global MBA program at Durham. I'd liek to ask what conditional acceptance did you receive from the university if you dont mind sharing? Thank you, Rakhee.

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I'm not sure if George is active on the forum any more. Generally, conditional offered from Durham mean that they need either certified copies of the documents, or completion of a pre-sessional course (e.g. statistics, academic English)
I'm not sure if George is active on the forum any more. Generally, conditional offered from Durham mean that they need either certified copies of the documents, or completion of a pre-sessional course (e.g. statistics, academic English)

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Hi all,
Read all your comments and good to hear such feedback!
I would like to ask if anyone has any information regarding a MBA which is not very expensive, my budget for doing a distance learning along with other commitments is £10,000 MAX.
So, can any one list out the options I have from good renowned universtities with or without some resident weeks??
Also, ranking of top 20 Online MBA from UK link, if any one has got.. I am unable to find one except just the listing page.

Any help, much appreciated.
Thanks
Kanika
Hi all, Read all your comments and good to hear such feedback! I would like to ask if anyone has any information regarding a MBA which is not very expensive, my budget for doing a distance learning along with other commitments is £10,000 MAX. So, can any one list out the options I have from good renowned universtities with or without some resident weeks?? Also, ranking of top 20 Online MBA from UK link, if any one has got.. I am unable to find one except just the listing page. Any help, much appreciated. Thanks Kanika

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I am not sure you will find many Top 20 accredited MBA programs under £10K. The only one I can think of is probably Leicester, accredited by AMBA and was about £7500 a few years ago. It is certainly not a top 20 program, but at least it's accredited. You might want to look for how it's rated on other threads on this forum. Try http://www.mbaworld.com/guidetomba1/searchbusinessschool for a list of AMBA accredited distance learning programs. But do you realise that for just £3000 or so extra you will get some very good DL programs; Bradford, Strathclyde, etc? Good luck in your search.
I am not sure you will find many Top 20 accredited MBA programs under £10K. The only one I can think of is probably Leicester, accredited by AMBA and was about £7500 a few years ago. It is certainly not a top 20 program, but at least it's accredited. You might want to look for how it's rated on other threads on this forum. Try http://www.mbaworld.com/guidetomba1/searchbusinessschool for a list of AMBA accredited distance learning programs. But do you realise that for just £3000 or so extra you will get some very good DL programs; Bradford, Strathclyde, etc? Good luck in your search.

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Leicester is never the right answer!
Leicester is never the right answer!

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Leicester is never the right answer!


How is Bradford in your opinion??
<blockquote>Leicester is never the right answer! </blockquote> How is Bradford in your opinion??

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I am not sure you will find many Top 20 accredited MBA programs under £10K. The only one I can think of is probably Leicester, accredited by AMBA and was about £7500 a few years ago. It is certainly not a top 20 program, but at least it's accredited. You might want to look for how it's rated on other threads on this forum. Try http://www.mbaworld.com/guidetomba1/searchbusinessschool for a list of AMBA accredited distance learning programs. But do you realise that for just £3000 or so extra you will get some very good DL programs; Bradford, Strathclyde, etc? Good luck in your search.


Thanks, you are right!! I am hoping we can up by another 3K and try and get a scholorship. Is Bradford reputed and valuable degree?
<blockquote>I am not sure you will find many Top 20 accredited MBA programs under £10K. The only one I can think of is probably Leicester, accredited by AMBA and was about £7500 a few years ago. It is certainly not a top 20 program, but at least it's accredited. You might want to look for how it's rated on other threads on this forum. Try http://www.mbaworld.com/guidetomba1/searchbusinessschool for a list of AMBA accredited distance learning programs. But do you realise that for just £3000 or so extra you will get some very good DL programs; Bradford, Strathclyde, etc? Good luck in your search. </blockquote> Thanks, you are right!! I am hoping we can up by another 3K and try and get a scholorship. Is Bradford reputed and valuable degree?

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Is Bradford reputed and valuable degree?

It's a decent program, and it's accredited by AMBA and EQUIS, so you're assured of getting a quality education. It's not on the same level as other UK distance learning programs, like Warwick, but still worth the investment.

I think the Bradford program is most effective if you take advantage of the on-campus modules. The school has multiple campuses, in places like Singapore, the Philippines, Germany, and Dubai.
<blockquote>Is Bradford reputed and valuable degree?</blockquote> It's a decent program, and it's accredited by AMBA and EQUIS, so you're assured of getting a quality education. It's not on the same level as other UK distance learning programs, like Warwick, but still worth the investment. I think the Bradford program is most effective if you take advantage of the on-campus modules. The school has multiple campuses, in places like Singapore, the Philippines, Germany, and Dubai.

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aah..I was reading this post from beginning and found hudson's LIVE experience on the selection procedure for his MBA quite thrilling. Just as the thread was ending and I was wondering how it started with various options to Durham and finally hudson selecting Warwick, it was a relief to see Bradford's name at last (thanks to Kanika). I am also on the same boat where fees is a factor and do not wish to exceed my £10k budget and also looking for scholarship. Based on what I am hearing from the experts like Duncan and Mamit, I have expanded my search to Bradford, Durham and Warwick and have contacted the schools directly. Whilst DBS have their own scholarship program, due to their next intake in April, no info is available until Jan next year. No other options are also available for the scholarship either. This pretty much closes the door for me for DBS. p.s. From August 2013 DBS increased fees to £19k from £14.5k and it will effect those who will be enrolled at that time.

WBS has impressed me and by following Hudson's MBA journal on this thread, I consider myself lucky that Im in UK ans can attend the residency, however, seems a little tough due to family commitments. Yet WBS seems interesting but with a £20k price tag..sigh!

My only hope is Bradford now but I am so far not hearing the buzz for the school like I heard for DBS and WBS.

Can anyone highlight the pros and cons of Bradford please? (as nuf as has been said in honor of WBS and DBS)
aah..I was reading this post from beginning and found hudson's LIVE experience on the selection procedure for his MBA quite thrilling. Just as the thread was ending and I was wondering how it started with various options to Durham and finally hudson selecting Warwick, it was a relief to see Bradford's name at last (thanks to Kanika). I am also on the same boat where fees is a factor and do not wish to exceed my £10k budget and also looking for scholarship. Based on what I am hearing from the experts like Duncan and Mamit, I have expanded my search to Bradford, Durham and Warwick and have contacted the schools directly. Whilst DBS have their own scholarship program, due to their next intake in April, no info is available until Jan next year. No other options are also available for the scholarship either. This pretty much closes the door for me for DBS. p.s. From August 2013 DBS increased fees to £19k from £14.5k and it will effect those who will be enrolled at that time. WBS has impressed me and by following Hudson's MBA journal on this thread, I consider myself lucky that Im in UK ans can attend the residency, however, seems a little tough due to family commitments. Yet WBS seems interesting but with a £20k price tag..sigh! My only hope is Bradford now but I am so far not hearing the buzz for the school like I heard for DBS and WBS. Can anyone highlight the pros and cons of Bradford please? (as nuf as has been said in honor of WBS and DBS)

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Like I mentioned in a post above, it's a respected program. Distance learning programs are usually more effective when you can take on-campus residencies, both in terms of the overall learning experience and your development of soft skills like leadership, negotiation, etc. So keep that in mind.

As far as I know, Bradford does not offer any scholarships for this program - so that might affect your decision.

The Durham and Warwick programs are a little more expensive, but may be worth it considering their robust post-graduation career services. Since you are already in contact with the schools, I'd ask Bradford questions about the program and career services.
Like I mentioned in a post above, it's a respected program. Distance learning programs are usually more effective when you can take on-campus residencies, both in terms of the overall learning experience and your development of soft skills like leadership, negotiation, etc. So keep that in mind. As far as I know, Bradford does not offer any scholarships for this program - so that might affect your decision. The Durham and Warwick programs are a little more expensive, but may be worth it considering their robust post-graduation career services. Since you are already in contact with the schools, I'd ask Bradford questions about the program and career services.

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Hi,

There is so much to consider in choosing an MBA that I feel the cost, if reasonable, should take a backseat to the quality of the program, student-student and student-faculty interaction both on campus and online, and the ranking and reputation of the institution and degree you are earning.

I have to admit to you that I just graduated from Warwick with my MBA and have no regrets, and I am proceeding with my doctorate.

The investment in time and effort to do the studies is far greater than the money, and the money can be spread out so it doesn't need to be paid all at once. I don't know about the UK but in many countries tuition is partially deductible against your taxes. I feel you have to consider this as an investment for your's and your families future; analyze your program choice from that frame of mind rather than solely the cost.

Good luck but my two pence would be to go to WBS.
Hi, There is so much to consider in choosing an MBA that I feel the cost, if reasonable, should take a backseat to the quality of the program, student-student and student-faculty interaction both on campus and online, and the ranking and reputation of the institution and degree you are earning. I have to admit to you that I just graduated from Warwick with my MBA and have no regrets, and I am proceeding with my doctorate. The investment in time and effort to do the studies is far greater than the money, and the money can be spread out so it doesn't need to be paid all at once. I don't know about the UK but in many countries tuition is partially deductible against your taxes. I feel you have to consider this as an investment for your's and your families future; analyze your program choice from that frame of mind rather than solely the cost. Good luck but my two pence would be to go to WBS.

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There is so much to consider in choosing an MBA that I feel the cost, if reasonable, should take a backseat to the quality of the program, student-student and student-faculty interaction both on campus and online, and the ranking and reputation of the institution and degree you are earning.

Agreed. And adding to that, potential online MBA students should also be concerned with career progress and placements as well. Since you just graduated from Warwick, any thoughts on this aspect in retrospect?
<blockquote>There is so much to consider in choosing an MBA that I feel the cost, if reasonable, should take a backseat to the quality of the program, student-student and student-faculty interaction both on campus and online, and the ranking and reputation of the institution and degree you are earning.</blockquote> Agreed. And adding to that, potential online MBA students should also be concerned with career progress and placements as well. Since you just graduated from Warwick, any thoughts on this aspect in retrospect?

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Just an update, I have received an offer from WBS this morning but unfortunately with no scholarship have been awarded! Reading the previous posts, I completely understand that quality of the study is more important and should be considered more than the financial aspects. Saying that, I already have a strong network established from my 11 years of work experience with some reputed companies across the globe and can re-join my previous employers anytime. So post graduation career service may not be a selling point for me. But whenever I hear of the reputation of Warwick I feel proud.

I guess I am seeking motivation to say YES to a £19k program. So calling anyone especially the ones who have recently graduated from DLMBA in WBS, how was the overall experience and how do you feel post graduation? Do you see eyebrows raising when potential employers see WBS on your CV?
Just an update, I have received an offer from WBS this morning but unfortunately with no scholarship have been awarded! Reading the previous posts, I completely understand that quality of the study is more important and should be considered more than the financial aspects. Saying that, I already have a strong network established from my 11 years of work experience with some reputed companies across the globe and can re-join my previous employers anytime. So post graduation career service may not be a selling point for me. But whenever I hear of the reputation of Warwick I feel proud. I guess I am seeking motivation to say YES to a £19k program. So calling anyone especially the ones who have recently graduated from DLMBA in WBS, how was the overall experience and how do you feel post graduation? Do you see eyebrows raising when potential employers see WBS on your CV?

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Just wanted to add few points as below. Something I stumbled upon from businessweek on Warwick BS.


http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/rankings/distance_mba_profiles/warwick.html

1. Do distance MBA students have access to a career development office? Yes
2. When in the degree process are they able to use the service? At any time
3. Do distance MBAs have access to an alumni database? Yes
4. Are distance MBAs permitted to interview on campus for summer internships? No
5. Are distance MBAs permitted to interview on campus for full-time jobs? No
6. Are distance MBAs included in resume drops for prescreening by recruiters? No

My concern is wrt point no. 5 and 6. Looks like DL MBA's are clearly discriminated here! Why can't there CVs be forwarded to recruiters for pre-screening? And why can't they be interviewed for FT positions like FT MBA students? Is WBS not confident about the quality of students that graduate via DL? Thoughts guys...?
Just wanted to add few points as below. Something I stumbled upon from businessweek on Warwick BS. http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/rankings/distance_mba_profiles/warwick.html 1. Do distance MBA students have access to a career development office? Yes 2. When in the degree process are they able to use the service? At any time 3. Do distance MBAs have access to an alumni database? Yes 4. Are distance MBAs permitted to interview on campus for summer internships? No 5. Are distance MBAs permitted to interview on campus for full-time jobs? No 6. Are distance MBAs included in resume drops for prescreening by recruiters? No My concern is wrt point no. 5 and 6. Looks like DL MBA's are clearly discriminated here! Why can't there CVs be forwarded to recruiters for pre-screening? And why can't they be interviewed for FT positions like FT MBA students? Is WBS not confident about the quality of students that graduate via DL? Thoughts guys...?

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Same degree no matter how earned with WBS MBA..

The way the question has been answered has probably more to do with the diversity of the nationalities and geographic locations of the DLMBA students than anything else, as on campus events and recruiters etc. would be focused more for the UK based students as DL has a much greater non UK cohort of students, simple practicalities - just my thought...
Same degree no matter how earned with WBS MBA.. The way the question has been answered has probably more to do with the diversity of the nationalities and geographic locations of the DLMBA students than anything else, as on campus events and recruiters etc. would be focused more for the UK based students as DL has a much greater non UK cohort of students, simple practicalities - just my thought...

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The way the question has been answered has probably more to do with the diversity of the nationalities and geographic locations of the DLMBA students than anything else, as on campus events and recruiters etc. would be focused more for the UK based students as DL has a much greater non UK cohort of students, simple practicalities - just my thought...

This was my thought as well.

Although I'd not base my decision entirely on a yes/no response in a survey. Contact the school directly for clarification.
<blockquote>The way the question has been answered has probably more to do with the diversity of the nationalities and geographic locations of the DLMBA students than anything else, as on campus events and recruiters etc. would be focused more for the UK based students as DL has a much greater non UK cohort of students, simple practicalities - just my thought...</blockquote> This was my thought as well. Although I'd not base my decision entirely on a yes/no response in a survey. Contact the school directly for clarification.

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I have checked the WBS career support website and they do talk about FT and PT MBA support, nothing about DL. The questions, as put forward, seems daunting as they use words like "permitted" for interviews on campus and the answer is NO! So can it actually be the fact that DL student profile is such that they are currently at a job from various geographic locations and it is presumed that they wouldn't want any career support? If thats the case then Henley has a completely different way in handling their flexible course where they do provide access to their executive recruitment database and allow on-campus interviews plus meeting recruiters for ALL MBA students. Again, this is a question I guess I need to ask WBS myself.
I have checked the WBS career support website and they do talk about FT and PT MBA support, nothing about DL. The questions, as put forward, seems daunting as they use words like "permitted" for interviews on campus and the answer is NO! So can it actually be the fact that DL student profile is such that they are currently at a job from various geographic locations and it is presumed that they wouldn't want any career support? If thats the case then Henley has a completely different way in handling their flexible course where they do provide access to their executive recruitment database and allow on-campus interviews plus meeting recruiters for ALL MBA students. Again, this is a question I guess I need to ask WBS myself.

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Anyone with views on Aberdeen Business School? It is accredited..and comes on top 20 for TOPMBA connect (QS) for their DL course. Worth??
Anyone with views on Aberdeen Business School? It is accredited..and comes on top 20 for TOPMBA connect (QS) for their DL course. Worth??

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WBS does provide career support services to all MBA students, and as a graduate I have access to these, and I have accessed them.

Perhaps too much is being read into a survey with one word answers: yes or no, the answers are more complicated than that because of issues like visas, geographic location, eligibility to work in certain countries, the candidates background other than the MBA completed, as the MBA is not a cure all, etc.

First step may be to commence a good MBA program, like WBS - to which I can attest, and consider that the graduate has a lot to do about getting themselves hired, not just the amount of career services.
WBS does provide career support services to all MBA students, and as a graduate I have access to these, and I have accessed them. Perhaps too much is being read into a survey with one word answers: yes or no, the answers are more complicated than that because of issues like visas, geographic location, eligibility to work in certain countries, the candidates background other than the MBA completed, as the MBA is not a cure all, etc. First step may be to commence a good MBA program, like WBS - to which I can attest, and consider that the graduate has a lot to do about getting themselves hired, not just the amount of career services.

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I prefer the FT rankings...
I prefer the FT rankings...

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sharneel,
Just to add my own thoughts on a few issues you have been raising above. Firstly, I think you are doing the right thing exploring various options before you settle on your final answer. I went through the same process, and have read posts from others who went through the same confusing process. I started out being all for WBS after I went for their Opening Day at Warwick, then I got fed up by what I thought was the over-hyped program. (I have several friends who have been, or are, on the WBS program). I explored other options, and to be honest, there are one or two good DL MBAs out there. While I am happy to have enrolled for the WBS DLMBA, I would be happy to enrol at Durham, Henley and a few others. However, the problem with options like Aberdeen is that they are almost totally distance with little interaction with your cohort. I know you say you already have your own strong network, but you will be amazed how even stronger your network after connecting with people doing the same course as you; its not quite a full time MBA, but it isnt far away from it. I have studied some online professional certifications before; locking yourself in a study room for hours on end with no one to exchange experiences with isn't most peoples idea of fun; imagine doing that for 3 years or more!
As someone else points out above; I wouldn't really mind about the seemingly high fees. If your budget was say £10K (and you know you cant get a good MBA for that), it means your realistic chance of a decent MBA starts around £13/14K. Thats only about £6k from options like WBS. Once you spread it over 3 years, you will see that the course fee isnt really such a big deal.
Finally, in one of your posts you asked about employability of WBS DL graduates. I know you cant make much from one example, but a friend of mine who graduated from WBS last year moved here Down Under. He came here without a job, on his wifes visa. After a few interviews he landed a job with an international energy company based in Sydney; and one of the things the interview panel told him was that his MBA from Warwick was very well regarded in his organisation. I tell you I am not exactly excited to be doing the marketing for WBS (first because I am not paid for it, and second because it tended to turn me off when I was in your position), but I am just narrating something that happened to my friend.
Good luck in your search
sharneel, Just to add my own thoughts on a few issues you have been raising above. Firstly, I think you are doing the right thing exploring various options before you settle on your final answer. I went through the same process, and have read posts from others who went through the same confusing process. I started out being all for WBS after I went for their Opening Day at Warwick, then I got fed up by what I thought was the “over-hyped” program. (I have several friends who have been, or are, on the WBS program). I explored other options, and to be honest, there are one or two good DL MBAs out there. While I am happy to have enrolled for the WBS DLMBA, I would be happy to enrol at Durham, Henley and a few others. However, the problem with options like Aberdeen is that they are almost totally “distance” with little interaction with your “cohort”. I know you say you already have your own strong network, but you will be amazed how even stronger your network after connecting with people doing the same course as you; it’s not quite a full time MBA, but it isn’t far away from it. I have studied some “online” professional certifications before; locking yourself in a study room for hours on end with no one to exchange experiences with isn't most people’s idea of fun; imagine doing that for 3 years or more! As someone else points out above; I wouldn't really mind about the seemingly high fees. If your budget was say £10K (and you know you can’t get a good MBA for that), it means your realistic chance of a decent MBA starts around £13/14K. That’s only about £6k from options like WBS. Once you spread it over 3 years, you will see that the course fee isn’t really such a big deal. Finally, in one of your posts you asked about employability of WBS DL graduates. I know you can’t make much from one example, but a friend of mine who graduated from WBS last year moved here Down Under. He came here without a job, on his wife’s visa. After a few interviews he landed a job with an international energy company based in Sydney; and one of the things the interview panel told him was that his MBA from Warwick was very well regarded in his organisation. I tell you I am not exactly excited to be doing the marketing for WBS (first because I am not paid for it, and second because it tended to turn me off when I was in your position), but I am just narrating something that happened to my friend. Good luck in your search

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Just listening an Imperial mba presentation and the adcom replied this to a question about their online mba
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Hi - we are developing a distance learning programme, which will be launched in 2014. Applications are not available for this programme yet but more ifnormation will be made available in the near future.
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Just listening an Imperial mba presentation and the adcom replied this to a question about their online mba ********** Hi - we are developing a distance learning programme, which will be launched in 2014. Applications are not available for this programme yet but more ifnormation will be made available in the near future. **********

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Don't they already have one, which is outsourced or in some way not administered by Imperial?

Will this be something new then ?

BigD

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Hi - we are developing a distance learning programme, which will be launched in 2014. Applications are not available for this programme yet but more ifnormation will be made available in the near future.
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Don't they already have one, which is outsourced or in some way not administered by Imperial? Will this be something new then ? BigD <blockquote>Just listening an Imperial mba presentation and the adcom replied this to a question about their online mba ********** Hi - we are developing a distance learning programme, which will be launched in 2014. Applications are not available for this programme yet but more ifnormation will be made available in the near future. **********</blockquote>

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Don't they already have one, which is outsourced or in some way not administered by Imperial?

Will this be something new then ?

BigD

Just listening an Imperial mba presentation and the adcom replied this to a question about their online mba
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Hi - we are developing a distance learning programme, which will be launched in 2014. Applications are not available for this programme yet but more ifnormation will be made available in the near future.
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During all the presentation they have never mentionned the DL program; there was a question about that and I posted the reply. I can't see it anymore here:
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/programmes
<blockquote>Don't they already have one, which is outsourced or in some way not administered by Imperial? Will this be something new then ? BigD <blockquote>Just listening an Imperial mba presentation and the adcom replied this to a question about their online mba ********** Hi - we are developing a distance learning programme, which will be launched in 2014. Applications are not available for this programme yet but more ifnormation will be made available in the near future. **********</blockquote></blockquote> During all the presentation they have never mentionned the DL program; there was a question about that and I posted the reply. I can't see it anymore here: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/programmes

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Here it is the announcement:
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/programmes/distance-learning-mba

Don't they already have one, which is outsourced or in some way not administered by Imperial?

Will this be something new then ?

BigD

Just listening an Imperial mba presentation and the adcom replied this to a question about their online mba
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Hi - we are developing a distance learning programme, which will be launched in 2014. Applications are not available for this programme yet but more ifnormation will be made available in the near future.
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During all the presentation they have never mentionned the DL program; there was a question about that and I posted the reply. I can't see it anymore here:
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/programmes
Here it is the announcement: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/programmes/distance-learning-mba <blockquote><blockquote>Don't they already have one, which is outsourced or in some way not administered by Imperial? Will this be something new then ? BigD <blockquote>Just listening an Imperial mba presentation and the adcom replied this to a question about their online mba ********** Hi - we are developing a distance learning programme, which will be launched in 2014. Applications are not available for this programme yet but more ifnormation will be made available in the near future. **********</blockquote></blockquote> During all the presentation they have never mentionned the DL program; there was a question about that and I posted the reply. I can't see it anymore here: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/programmes</blockquote>

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Don't they already have one, which is outsourced or in some way not administered by Imperial?

Yes, the Imperial distance learning MBA program was administered by an education organization called "Study Group," which also provides programs for other universities (no other UK MBAs, though, as far as I know.) I think that it's probably difficult to manage an MBA program through a service like this, and plus, it was pretty pricey, compared to competitors like Warwick.
<blockquote>Don't they already have one, which is outsourced or in some way not administered by Imperial?</blockquote> Yes, the Imperial distance learning MBA program was administered by an education organization called "Study Group," which also provides programs for other universities (no other UK MBAs, though, as far as I know.) I think that it's probably difficult to manage an MBA program through a service like this, and plus, it was pretty pricey, compared to competitors like Warwick.

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Well, their program was pricey and even not to well recognized; by the way it seems that their weekend emba already incorporates some blended elements.
So in 2014 there will be their new DL program and also the new Manchester emba.
Well, their program was pricey and even not to well recognized; by the way it seems that their weekend emba already incorporates some blended elements. So in 2014 there will be their new DL program and also the new Manchester emba.

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Yes, I noticed that as well on their website. They have suspended taking any further students on their previous DL program and the next intake is on 2014 on their revised version. I guess its a good sign that schools like Imperial is focusing on their DL mode of study..shows that the market demand for DL does exist, if not undervalued. Hope the revised version is not as pricey compared to other schools like DBS and WBS
Yes, I noticed that as well on their website. They have suspended taking any further students on their previous DL program and the next intake is on 2014 on their revised version. I guess its a good sign that schools like Imperial is focusing on their DL mode of study..shows that the market demand for DL does exist, if not undervalued. Hope the revised version is not as pricey compared to other schools like DBS and WBS

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I'm not sure that it shoes greater focus on DL. They will replace it with a blended learning programme - one which includes compulsory face-to-face sessions. The classic DL method, without residencies or team projects, is not producing strong outcomes. I think blended programmes like the Manchester Global MBA are going to dominate the DL niche.
I'm not sure that it shoes greater focus on DL. They will replace it with a blended learning programme - one which includes compulsory face-to-face sessions. The classic DL method, without residencies or team projects, is not producing strong outcomes. I think blended programmes like the Manchester Global MBA are going to dominate the DL niche.

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I'd be suspect of any completely online or completely DL MBA with no residential component at all, it's not like a DBA where you are researching your own topic, an MBA I think requires interaction and working with international teams or groups, and especially being thrown into working with strangers on short notice, such as the on-campus team sessions - challenges!

Consider that WBS recently refined their program and increased the interaction requirements at the request of the student cohorts, there has to be something of value here - there will be time away from home and some cost but the benefits far outweigh them. I think a real commitment to getting value for your efforts and some cost will be better in the long run.
I'd be suspect of any completely online or completely DL MBA with no residential component at all, it's not like a DBA where you are researching your own topic, an MBA I think requires interaction and working with international teams or groups, and especially being thrown into working with strangers on short notice, such as the on-campus team sessions - challenges! Consider that WBS recently refined their program and increased the interaction requirements at the request of the student cohorts, there has to be something of value here - there will be time away from home and some cost but the benefits far outweigh them. I think a real commitment to getting value for your efforts and some cost will be better in the long run.

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Ok..I am following George's method of elimination now. I am convinced that the proper starting point for selecting an MBA is:

- Accreditation
- Ranking (FT, Aspen, Economist)
- Mode of Study and if DL then reputation of the school is a BIG deal

Based on above and the mode of study i.e. DL, I have selected schools with triple accreditation only which guarantees quality of school and maintains the reputation of the parent university. In addition, my profile, requirements and expectation from a school has been blended to come up with the list:

Tier 1 - Warwick, Henley & Durham: Both WBS and DBS are equally reputed schools, same fees of £19k but no Jan intake by Durham. WBS has compulsory residential modules whereas DBS are optional. Henley also has some on-site modules and I believe provides stronger career support than the other two.

Tier 2 - Strathclyde & Aston: Again, may be not as well reputed (ranking wise) as above schools but they are highly recognised and are considered to be decent programs. Fees wise Aston £18k with scholarship up to £3k possible. Strath fees £12.5k which seems great to me as the school is triple accredited.

Tier 3: Bradford/Royal Holloway: Bradford double accreditation and RH single, but these programs have been marked as decent and fees are £13.5k and £12.5k respectively.

Now, I have been offered a place by WBS and I am keen to say yes. So far I had some decent opinions by ppl like Hudson and Canuck abt WBS which builds confidence. I know I have been advised many times about not to be concerned abt finances, but being in a jobless position, I need to be absolutely sure that a DL program will fly, irrespective of the school that delivers it, I hear the the controversory that it may not be welcomed by all recruiters. In that case, what am I losing if I choose Strathclyde or Aston, the tier 2 schools. Will the reputation of WBS rank a DL program higher and make one more employable or it wouldn't make a difference? Is that extra 7k I am paying for just brand equity or there is more to it like learning and networking?

I also wanted to hear from students about the contents of the program. I noticed some programs have variety of electives and some has few. As long as we are sure about what we want to learn and it is delivered by a school, does it matter if a program has more electives?

Anyone has any thoughts about the delivery method of a school. Is there anything special that gives an edge to a school that I should watch out for other than the norm like forums, blogs, live lectures etc?

Look forward to your usual support and advice.
Ok..I am following George's method of elimination now. I am convinced that the proper starting point for selecting an MBA is: - Accreditation - Ranking (FT, Aspen, Economist) - Mode of Study and if DL then reputation of the school is a BIG deal Based on above and the mode of study i.e. DL, I have selected schools with triple accreditation only which guarantees quality of school and maintains the reputation of the parent university. In addition, my profile, requirements and expectation from a school has been blended to come up with the list: Tier 1 - Warwick, Henley & Durham: Both WBS and DBS are equally reputed schools, same fees of £19k but no Jan intake by Durham. WBS has compulsory residential modules whereas DBS are optional. Henley also has some on-site modules and I believe provides stronger career support than the other two. Tier 2 - Strathclyde & Aston: Again, may be not as well reputed (ranking wise) as above schools but they are highly recognised and are considered to be decent programs. Fees wise Aston £18k with scholarship up to £3k possible. Strath fees £12.5k which seems great to me as the school is triple accredited. Tier 3: Bradford/Royal Holloway: Bradford double accreditation and RH single, but these programs have been marked as decent and fees are £13.5k and £12.5k respectively. Now, I have been offered a place by WBS and I am keen to say yes. So far I had some decent opinions by ppl like Hudson and Canuck abt WBS which builds confidence. I know I have been advised many times about not to be concerned abt finances, but being in a jobless position, I need to be absolutely sure that a DL program will fly, irrespective of the school that delivers it, I hear the the controversory that it may not be welcomed by all recruiters. In that case, what am I losing if I choose Strathclyde or Aston, the tier 2 schools. Will the reputation of WBS rank a DL program higher and make one more employable or it wouldn't make a difference? Is that extra 7k I am paying for just brand equity or there is more to it like learning and networking? I also wanted to hear from students about the contents of the program. I noticed some programs have variety of electives and some has few. As long as we are sure about what we want to learn and it is delivered by a school, does it matter if a program has more electives? Anyone has any thoughts about the delivery method of a school. Is there anything special that gives an edge to a school that I should watch out for other than the norm like forums, blogs, live lectures etc? Look forward to your usual support and advice.

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Agree Duncan. I think Imperial being such a highly reputed school but their DL MBA not perceived as well in equilibrium to their FT/PT version did raise an alarm for them. But the whole reason why they suspended the intake for a year to revise it rather than either completely abolishing it or leave it as is, perhaps because they noted a demand for DL courses in the market. A blended program may raise the profile of their course and allow more potential students to join them. Does it not mean, they are understanding the need of this mode of study and responding to market demand? Good news for DL-ers I'd like to say.
Agree Duncan. I think Imperial being such a highly reputed school but their DL MBA not perceived as well in equilibrium to their FT/PT version did raise an alarm for them. But the whole reason why they suspended the intake for a year to revise it rather than either completely abolishing it or leave it as is, perhaps because they noted a demand for DL courses in the market. A blended program may raise the profile of their course and allow more potential students to join them. Does it not mean, they are understanding the need of this mode of study and responding to market demand? Good news for DL-ers I'd like to say.

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I would put Durham and Bradford both in Tier Two, and add Manchester to Tier One.

I think it's possible that Imperial's blended programme will absorb its international EMBA track. I can't see Imperial getting real scale in the crowded DL MBA market, but where is does have a niche to exploit is in countries where Engineers are high status. For example imagine a blended programme with face to face options in the countries where the Imperial brand has real roots, like Singapore, Greece, Pakistan, Australia and the UAE.
I would put Durham and Bradford both in Tier Two, and add Manchester to Tier One. I think it's possible that Imperial's blended programme will absorb its international EMBA track. I can't see Imperial getting real scale in the crowded DL MBA market, but where is does have a niche to exploit is in countries where Engineers are high status. For example imagine a blended programme with face to face options in the countries where the Imperial brand has real roots, like Singapore, Greece, Pakistan, Australia and the UAE.

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Wow..do you think Bradford DL program is good to be in tier 2 with Aston and Strath? It doesn't even have the triple crown (although they say they are working towards their AACSB)

I had an offer from Manchester back in my UAE days for the global MBA but again too expensive..£25k I think. No wayy..

I would put Durham and Bradford both in Tier Two, and add Manchester to Tier One.
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Wow..do you think Bradford DL program is good to be in tier 2 with Aston and Strath? It doesn't even have the triple crown (although they say they are working towards their AACSB) I had an offer from Manchester back in my UAE days for the global MBA but again too expensive..£25k I think. No wayy.. <blockquote>I would put Durham and Bradford both in Tier Two, and add Manchester to Tier One. .</blockquote>

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Only Bradford has been in the FT full-time MBA ranking both this year and last year. I think they are similar in standing. Bradford's DL MBA is bigger than Aston and Strathclyde's put together, so it has great scale -- which means strong resourcing.
Only Bradford has been in the FT full-time MBA ranking both this year and last year. I think they are similar in standing. Bradford's DL MBA is bigger than Aston and Strathclyde's put together, so it has great scale -- which means strong resourcing.

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Yeap..that's what I thought. I think there's one too many times I heard from this blog that Bradford MBA is strong as long as we can take benefits from their on-site resources i.e. FT mode. With DL programs which are conducted by RDI (which itself holds a different reputation) I was feeling skeptical about Bradford. Otherwise, it did sound fair to me when I joined the forum.

Can you please elaborate on "scale"? When you say its bigger than strath+aston put together..means? I also just learnt that Aston PT MBA can be done off campus by attending ONE day per term on campus only. I live in London, and one day per term seems perfect. But then again Aston is not Warwick..sigh!

Only Bradford has been in the FT full-time MBA ranking both this year and last year. I think they are similar in standing. Bradford's DL MBA is bigger than Aston and Strathclyde's put together, so it has great scale -- which means strong resourcing.
Yeap..that's what I thought. I think there's one too many times I heard from this blog that Bradford MBA is strong as long as we can take benefits from their on-site resources i.e. FT mode. With DL programs which are conducted by RDI (which itself holds a different reputation) I was feeling skeptical about Bradford. Otherwise, it did sound fair to me when I joined the forum. Can you please elaborate on "scale"? When you say its bigger than strath+aston put together..means? I also just learnt that Aston PT MBA can be done off campus by attending ONE day per term on campus only. I live in London, and one day per term seems perfect. But then again Aston is not Warwick..sigh! <blockquote>Only Bradford has been in the FT full-time MBA ranking both this year and last year. I think they are similar in standing. Bradford's DL MBA is bigger than Aston and Strathclyde's put together, so it has great scale -- which means strong resourcing.</blockquote>

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By scale, I mean the number of students taking the programme. RDI, indeed, has a pretty negative reputation.

Don't underestimate the positive benefit of time on campus. Kingston has a good weekend MBA. Warwick and Henley are great value.
By scale, I mean the number of students taking the programme. RDI, indeed, has a pretty negative reputation. Don't underestimate the positive benefit of time on campus. Kingston has a good weekend MBA. Warwick and Henley are great value.

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so what is the story of RDI? I have seen RDI on FT league table, so far their website looks great and admin looks friendly too. Why the bad reputation? Is it because they are linked with university of wales? I dont understand why Bradford would associate its brand integrity with something as controversial as RDI??

By scale, I mean the number of students taking the programme. RDI, indeed, has a pretty negative reputation.

Don't underestimate the positive benefit of time on campus. Kingston has a good weekend MBA. Warwick and Henley are great value.
so what is the story of RDI? I have seen RDI on FT league table, so far their website looks great and admin looks friendly too. Why the bad reputation? Is it because they are linked with university of wales? I dont understand why Bradford would associate its brand integrity with something as controversial as RDI?? <blockquote>By scale, I mean the number of students taking the programme. RDI, indeed, has a pretty negative reputation. Don't underestimate the positive benefit of time on campus. Kingston has a good weekend MBA. Warwick and Henley are great value. </blockquote>

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Search the discussion boards. With their Leicester MBA, for example, the feedback is poor about the administrative and tutorial support from RDI.

PS But speak to former students. Get your own data.
Search the discussion boards. With their Leicester MBA, for example, the feedback is poor about the administrative and tutorial support from RDI. PS But speak to former students. Get your own data.

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Thanks Duncan. I am on it! Did some search and I don't think Leicester is connected with RDI, not anymore. However, nothing about RDI itself I found on this forum which is strange. I have put forth a query to Bradford staff to understand the connection between RDI and Bradford as from the web it seemed like Bradford will be handling the tutorials and RDI will only be handling admin tasks like application processing and fees handling.

Saying that, I am kind of finding Bradford interesting. With 2 f2f modules (optional) included in fees as opposed to 1 by WBS seems cost effective. Plus their EMBA could equally be flexible and similar cost to DL version of WBS. I guess what I am asking myself is if I were to choose between EMBA Bradford against DL WBS, which should I go for? Brand of school or mode of study? Thoughts??

Search the discussion boards. With their Leicester MBA, for example, the feedback is poor about the administrative and tutorial support from RDI.

PS But speak to former students. Get your own data.
Thanks Duncan. I am on it! Did some search and I don't think Leicester is connected with RDI, not anymore. However, nothing about RDI itself I found on this forum which is strange. I have put forth a query to Bradford staff to understand the connection between RDI and Bradford as from the web it seemed like Bradford will be handling the tutorials and RDI will only be handling admin tasks like application processing and fees handling. Saying that, I am kind of finding Bradford interesting. With 2 f2f modules (optional) included in fees as opposed to 1 by WBS seems cost effective. Plus their EMBA could equally be flexible and similar cost to DL version of WBS. I guess what I am asking myself is if I were to choose between EMBA Bradford against DL WBS, which should I go for? Brand of school or mode of study? Thoughts?? <blockquote>Search the discussion boards. With their Leicester MBA, for example, the feedback is poor about the administrative and tutorial support from RDI. PS But speak to former students. Get your own data.</blockquote>

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I think I would choose the Bradford EMBA over the DL MBA at Warwick, but look at the courses and the network you get from their schools. The DL MBA at Bradford is a great bargain. I had thought that with RDI they arranged 'university approved' tutors, but they were RDI contacts and rather uneven. I could be out of date about that. Speak to current students.
I think I would choose the Bradford EMBA over the DL MBA at Warwick, but look at the courses and the network you get from their schools. The DL MBA at Bradford is a great bargain. I had thought that with RDI they arranged 'university approved' tutors, but they were RDI contacts and rather uneven. I could be out of date about that. Speak to current students.

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My response is only based on what I found out during my 12+ months research on the best DL MBA to do. First I will say that I received an offer from Imperial College DL MBA; based on my engineering background I thought it was only logical to try Imperial with their renowned reputation in engineering and medicine. Without even looking at the £24k price tag, something didn't quite feel right about their DL MBA. First, I wasn't aware that they offer it through a third party until I received an offer with the "Study Group" logo on it. This wasn't mentioned when I was doing the interviews. I have no problem per se with outsourcing, but if I am paying a premium for a product I prefer it to come from the original source. Second I discovered that most of their lecturers are also lecturers at other top Business Schools, including Warwick. So I decided not to go ahead with Imperial; and I am sure their decision to discontinue their particular DL MBA might be because they were losing clientele.

Regarding Bradford, it was actually on my Tier 2 list; only because it isn't quite triple accredited. At GBP14.5K with 2 f2f attendances (though not compulsory) I thought it was quite good value for money. They said they were working on the AACSB accreditation. (Correction - in the case of WBS, it's 1 f2f module offered in the fees, but also 3 compulsory residential attendances; 2 in first year and 1 in second year, so I think there at least Bradford and WBS are even, at least). But now as Sharneel says their EMBA is priced same as DL MBA (have you factored in travel and accommodation costs?), I think it's not too bad. It wouldn't be a bad option if one chose to go the Bradford EMBA route. However, if it was me making the choice, I would choose Bradford EMBA if my other realistic choice was a school below Bradford in ranking and reputation. Because, compared against WBS (even the DL option), if you are based in the UK, you could still claw back some of the perceived disadvantages of their DL option by choosing to attend a couple more modules f2f (albeit for a bit extra). I am sure financially you will still be in the same position with Bradford EMBA where you have to attend all the modules f2f (factoring transport and accommodation costs). Plus with a vibrant and interactive online cohort for Warwick (where I understand there are some group assignments), I think you will find the level of interaction still good enough. Also given that WBS is flexible, you can always decide to go the Executive route for some modules, which you can't with Bradford.
Sorry if I am sounding more and more like an agent for WBS I have just received my enrollment information and am quite excited about it!
My response is only based on what I found out during my 12+ months research on the best DL MBA to do. First I will say that I received an offer from Imperial College DL MBA; based on my engineering background I thought it was only logical to try Imperial with their renowned reputation in engineering and medicine. Without even looking at the £24k price tag, something didn't quite feel right about their DL MBA. First, I wasn't aware that they offer it through a third party until I received an offer with the "Study Group" logo on it. This wasn't mentioned when I was doing the interviews. I have no problem per se with outsourcing, but if I am paying a premium for a product I prefer it to come from the original source. Second I discovered that most of their lecturers are also lecturers at other top Business Schools, including Warwick. So I decided not to go ahead with Imperial; and I am sure their decision to discontinue their particular DL MBA might be because they were losing clientele. Regarding Bradford, it was actually on my Tier 2 list; only because it isn't quite triple accredited. At GBP14.5K with 2 f2f attendances (though not compulsory) I thought it was quite good value for money. They said they were working on the AACSB accreditation. (Correction - in the case of WBS, it's 1 f2f module offered in the fees, but also 3 compulsory residential attendances; 2 in first year and 1 in second year, so I think there at least Bradford and WBS are even, at least). But now as Sharneel says their EMBA is priced same as DL MBA (have you factored in travel and accommodation costs?), I think it's not too bad. It wouldn't be a bad option if one chose to go the Bradford EMBA route. However, if it was me making the choice, I would choose Bradford EMBA if my other realistic choice was a school below Bradford in ranking and reputation. Because, compared against WBS (even the DL option), if you are based in the UK, you could still claw back some of the perceived disadvantages of their DL option by choosing to attend a couple more modules f2f (albeit for a bit extra). I am sure financially you will still be in the same position with Bradford EMBA where you have to attend all the modules f2f (factoring transport and accommodation costs). Plus with a vibrant and interactive online cohort for Warwick (where I understand there are some group assignments), I think you will find the level of interaction still good enough. Also given that WBS is flexible, you can always decide to go the Executive route for some modules, which you can't with Bradford. Sorry if I am sounding more and more like an agent for WBS I have just received my enrollment information and am quite excited about it!

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I received a call today from RDI and had some clear understanding about the role RDI plays for Bradford DL MBA. Good news is their role for Bradford is only to handle the admission procedure like applications handling and fees processing. They are NOT involved in any way in the education process of Bradford unlike with Anglian Ruskin for which the agreement is different. This means a DLMBA with Bradford is purely from the university itself with its own professors and lecturers and study contents. Also to add, the application process seemed very straight forward, no essays to write! But then again I wonder, with such easy application process, are they accepting better quality students??


The DL MBA at Bradford is a great bargain. I had thought that with RDI they arranged 'university approved' tutors, but they were RDI contacts and rather uneven. I could be out of date about that. Speak to current students.
I received a call today from RDI and had some clear understanding about the role RDI plays for Bradford DL MBA. Good news is their role for Bradford is only to handle the admission procedure like applications handling and fees processing. They are NOT involved in any way in the education process of Bradford unlike with Anglian Ruskin for which the agreement is different. This means a DLMBA with Bradford is purely from the university itself with its own professors and lecturers and study contents. Also to add, the application process seemed very straight forward, no essays to write! But then again I wonder, with such easy application process, are they accepting better quality students?? <blockquote> The DL MBA at Bradford is a great bargain. I had thought that with RDI they arranged 'university approved' tutors, but they were RDI contacts and rather uneven. I could be out of date about that. Speak to current students.</blockquote>

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I guess the standards will be similar. The fact that the DL course allows up to three modules of five days is amazing. Exec ed courses in top schools are often 1000 a day so the MBA pays for itself just with that!
I guess the standards will be similar. The fact that the DL course allows up to three modules of five days is amazing. Exec ed courses in top schools are often 1000 a day so the MBA pays for itself just with that!

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I am not a fan of DL but if I have to pick one, I would opt for DBS. Reasons are pretty obvious.. damn posh, big, traditional & russell, old name (just next to oxbridge) in your CV at affordable price and flexibility. Top uk ranking, within 100 world ranking, within 100 of worldwide employer pick list.

I have heard uk's most of the privately educated students go to Durham if they miss oxbridge (undergraduation I mean). (Anyone knows anything similar in the US? may be Princeton ? )
I guess that gives a wider posh alumni network with the well-to-dos. Employers do know the name very well.
I am not a fan of DL but if I have to pick one, I would opt for DBS. Reasons are pretty obvious.. damn posh, big, traditional & russell, old name (just next to oxbridge) in your CV at affordable price and flexibility. Top uk ranking, within 100 world ranking, within 100 of worldwide employer pick list. I have heard uk's most of the privately educated students go to Durham if they miss oxbridge (undergraduation I mean). (Anyone knows anything similar in the US? may be Princeton ? ) I guess that gives a wider posh alumni network with the well-to-dos. Employers do know the name very well.

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Do I detect some inverse snobbery here? Poshness is not an attribute I would be seeking. But if so I would be Lucky Jim at Scone, Oxford.

BigD

I am not a fan of DL but if I have to pick one, I would opt for DBS. Reasons are pretty obvious.. damn posh....
I guess that gives a wider posh alumni network with the well-to-dos. Employers do know the name very well.
Do I detect some inverse snobbery here? Poshness is not an attribute I would be seeking. But if so I would be Lucky Jim at Scone, Oxford. BigD <blockquote>I am not a fan of DL but if I have to pick one, I would opt for DBS. Reasons are pretty obvious.. damn posh.... I guess that gives a wider posh alumni network with the well-to-dos. Employers do know the name very well.</blockquote>

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ha. ha.. If you don't like you can take the word "posh" off the list. But all the rest of the attributes are undeniable. The evidences are abound in Google.. :-)
ha. ha.. If you don't like you can take the word "posh" off the list. But all the rest of the attributes are undeniable. The evidences are abound in Google.. :-)

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A distance learning student will find it hard to extract a premium from a posh network they have not met on campus. If you just want a brand, do the LSE's diploma for graduates in management for one tenth of the price. But for an MBA network, look at which school gives you the content, experiences and the network on the ground in your country.
A distance learning student will find it hard to extract a premium from a posh network they have not met on campus. If you just want a brand, do the LSE's diploma for graduates in management for one tenth of the price. But for an MBA network, look at which school gives you the content, experiences and the network on the ground in your country.

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All possibilities of "posh networks" aside the decision on a graduate program would be best made on the quality of the program and the reputation and ranking of the degree and degree granting institution. These aspects have a longer and better chance of giving value over your career. The likelihood of connecting with a useful "posh network" is like buying a lottery ticket, and the lottery ticket may have a better probability of yielding the desired results.

Just my two pence, but if not located in the UK then look outside your country - I graduated from WBS (I'm Canadian - surprise if you didn't figure that one out already) and for a lot of reasons: cost, ranking, program, etc. I'm glad that I made the effort....
All possibilities of "posh networks" aside the decision on a graduate program would be best made on the quality of the program and the reputation and ranking of the degree and degree granting institution. These aspects have a longer and better chance of giving value over your career. The likelihood of connecting with a useful "posh network" is like buying a lottery ticket, and the lottery ticket may have a better probability of yielding the desired results. Just my two pence, but if not located in the UK then look outside your country - I graduated from WBS (I'm Canadian - surprise if you didn't figure that one out already) and for a lot of reasons: cost, ranking, program, etc. I'm glad that I made the effort....

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Well, plateglass uni is plate glass uni. Ancient uni is ancient uni. No comparison. The traditional, deep and wide uni network and lasting name is a bargain. Comparing them with the lottery punters is not correct.
Durham is a class uni on world heritage site and is here to stay. No one can deny that. Looking at the 2011 endowment alone (total value of an institution's investments) below, shall we say Durham is about 10 times more valued? ..
Durham endowment £61.3M
Warwick endowment £6.7 M

I just noted that DBS has rebranded to DUBS ..
"Durham Business School is to be re-branded as Durham University Business School to better align it with its parent organisation Durham University - one of the worlds leading research and teaching universities."

http://www.dur.ac.uk/business/news/latest_news/?itemno=15730
Well, plateglass uni is plate glass uni. Ancient uni is ancient uni. No comparison. The traditional, deep and wide uni network and lasting name is a bargain. Comparing them with the lottery punters is not correct. Durham is a class uni on world heritage site and is here to stay. No one can deny that. Looking at the 2011 endowment alone (total value of an institution's investments) below, shall we say Durham is about 10 times more valued? .. Durham endowment £61.3M Warwick endowment £6.7 M I just noted that DBS has rebranded to DUBS .. "Durham Business School is to be re-branded as Durham University Business School to better align it with its parent organisation Durham University - one of the world’s leading research and teaching universities." http://www.dur.ac.uk/business/news/latest_news/?itemno=15730

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Durham is not an ancient university. Britian has six ancient universities, dating from before 1600. Durham's charter dates from 1837.

The notion that there's no comparison between ancient and plate class is silly. Would you rather than an MBA from St Andrew's (established in 1413) or from London Business School, founded in the late 1960s?
Durham is not an ancient university. Britian has six ancient universities, dating from before 1600. Durham's charter dates from 1837. The notion that there's no comparison between ancient and plate class is silly. Would you rather than an MBA from St Andrew's (established in 1413) or from London Business School, founded in the late 1960s?

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oh!. I did not know that 1600 is the threshold to classify it as ancient. (Duncan, you are the best out here in giving the correct facts!) Ok, let's keep it as lot older and has name and fame and "funded better" than others.

Dedicated schools such as LBS, HBS and my fav IIM is not in the discussion here. They are league of their own, they are independent/autonomus units (some awards their own diploma/degree and some just gets only the name from the parent uni). No comparison with uni based bizz departments.

The comparison is only for the DLs and their associated uni. My view is - stronger the uni better the usefulness/longivity of the DL degree. At least one can be proud to say I did this in so and so big/old/traditional uni, better sense of accomplishment with bigger name for those who are trapped in tight budget and flexibility issues :-)
oh!. I did not know that 1600 is the threshold to classify it as ancient. (Duncan, you are the best out here in giving the correct facts!) Ok, let's keep it as lot older and has name and fame and "funded better" than others. Dedicated schools such as LBS, HBS and my fav IIM is not in the discussion here. They are league of their own, they are independent/autonomus units (some awards their own diploma/degree and some just gets only the name from the parent uni). No comparison with uni based bizz departments. The comparison is only for the DLs and their associated uni. My view is - stronger the uni better the usefulness/longivity of the DL degree. At least one can be proud to say I did this in so and so big/old/traditional uni, better sense of accomplishment with bigger name for those who are trapped in tight budget and flexibility issues :-)

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Who gives a toss about whether they are the ancient stone colleges or the pretty modern buildings of the new schools, when you are studying by DL? Who cares about the poshness of the alumni and other non DL students whom you may never meet?

I would be more concerned with the reputation of the school, the content of the course materials and interactive learning practices of the school; the opportunity for face to face discussions...and of course the cost.

BigD


The comparison is only for the DLs and their associated uni. My view is - stronger the uni better the usefulness/longivity of the DL degree. At least one can be proud to say I did this in so and so big/old/traditional uni, better sense of accomplishment with bigger name for those who are trapped in tight budget and flexibility issues :-)

Who gives a toss about whether they are the ancient stone colleges or the pretty modern buildings of the new schools, when you are studying by DL? Who cares about the poshness of the alumni and other non DL students whom you may never meet? I would be more concerned with the reputation of the school, the content of the course materials and interactive learning practices of the school; the opportunity for face to face discussions...and of course the cost. BigD <blockquote> The comparison is only for the DLs and their associated uni. My view is - stronger the uni better the usefulness/longivity of the DL degree. At least one can be proud to say I did this in so and so big/old/traditional uni, better sense of accomplishment with bigger name for those who are trapped in tight budget and flexibility issues :-) </blockquote>

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BigD,
That's right.. these are the first priority.

"I would be more concerned with the reputation of the school, the content of the course materials and interactive learning practices of the school; the opportunity for face to face discussions...and of course the cost."

After filtering down schools with these criteria, triple-acc and flexiblity etc, you endup with handful of schools. Just like the list given by the original poster georgep. Once you come to that level, then it is a matter of your preference/prejudice/bias etc. At that point, my preference would be big/old/traditional/russell/posh etc.
Everyones preference would be different. Someone might like a school that's in the middle of nowhere, someone would like it in the world heritage site, etc and proud to have MBA(dunelm). Do you know only few unis in the world that has those classy latin words you can use in your designation?. It is just ones choice after major criteria filteing.

oh man!, what am I doing here.. The more I write the more I endup in a DL. I am running to IIM-A/B.
(Sorry DL guys, my objectives are different. I get outa here and I let you play this DL game.. goodluck everyone!.)
BigD, That's right.. these are the first priority. "I would be more concerned with the reputation of the school, the content of the course materials and interactive learning practices of the school; the opportunity for face to face discussions...and of course the cost." After filtering down schools with these criteria, triple-acc and flexiblity etc, you endup with handful of schools. Just like the list given by the original poster georgep. Once you come to that level, then it is a matter of your preference/prejudice/bias etc. At that point, my preference would be big/old/traditional/russell/posh etc. Everyones preference would be different. Someone might like a school that's in the middle of nowhere, someone would like it in the world heritage site, etc and proud to have MBA(dunelm). Do you know only few unis in the world that has those classy latin words you can use in your designation?. It is just ones choice after major criteria filteing. oh man!, what am I doing here.. The more I write the more I endup in a DL. I am running to IIM-A/B. (Sorry DL guys, my objectives are different. I get outa here and I let you play this DL game.. goodluck everyone!.)

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Is it posh ? We should be told.

BigD

I am running to IIM-A/B.
(Sorry DL guys, my objectives are different. I get outa here and I let you play this DL game.. goodluck everyone!.)
Is it posh ? We should be told. BigD <blockquote>I am running to IIM-A/B. (Sorry DL guys, my objectives are different. I get outa here and I let you play this DL game.. goodluck everyone!.) </blockquote>

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Well, plateglass uni is plate glass uni. Ancient uni is ancient uni. No comparison. The traditional, deep and wide uni network and lasting name is a bargain. Comparing them with the lottery punters is not correct.
Durham is a class uni on world heritage site and is here to stay. No one can deny that. Looking at the 2011 endowment alone (total value of an institution's investments) below, shall we say Durham is about 10 times more valued? ..
Durham endowment £61.3M
Warwick endowment £6.7 M

I just noted that DBS has rebranded to DUBS ..
"Durham Business School is to be re-branded as Durham University Business School to better align it with its parent organisation Durham University - one of the worlds leading research and teaching universities."

http://www.dur.ac.uk/business/news/latest_news/?itemno=15730



son you have a lot to learn in life. everyone with the internet can be a hero behind keyboard. stop talking nonsense.

i believe you only know warwick and durham by reading on forums full of first year students half drunk in their fresher week.

posh is not about one or two years or going to the right college, most of the time you need to be born right. and i thought twice before i write this
<blockquote>Well, plateglass uni is plate glass uni. Ancient uni is ancient uni. No comparison. The traditional, deep and wide uni network and lasting name is a bargain. Comparing them with the lottery punters is not correct. Durham is a class uni on world heritage site and is here to stay. No one can deny that. Looking at the 2011 endowment alone (total value of an institution's investments) below, shall we say Durham is about 10 times more valued? .. Durham endowment £61.3M Warwick endowment £6.7 M I just noted that DBS has rebranded to DUBS .. "Durham Business School is to be re-branded as Durham University Business School to better align it with its parent organisation Durham University - one of the world’s leading research and teaching universities." http://www.dur.ac.uk/business/news/latest_news/?itemno=15730 </blockquote> son you have a lot to learn in life. everyone with the internet can be a hero behind keyboard. stop talking nonsense. i believe you only know warwick and durham by reading on forums full of first year students half drunk in their fresher week. posh is not about one or two years or going to the right college, most of the time you need to be born right. and i thought twice before i write this

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Durham is not an ancient university. Britian has six ancient universities, dating from before 1600. Durham's charter dates from 1837.

The notion that there's no comparison between ancient and plate class is silly. Would you rather than an MBA from St Andrew's (established in 1413) or from London Business School, founded in the late 1960s?


btw, it is interesting that scotland had back then 4 univiersities while england only had 2.

I went to Lund damn being the first or one of the first Scandinavian uni, it was not ancient enough to be classified as ancient
<blockquote>Durham is not an ancient university. Britian has six ancient universities, dating from before 1600. Durham's charter dates from 1837. The notion that there's no comparison between ancient and plate class is silly. Would you rather than an MBA from St Andrew's (established in 1413) or from London Business School, founded in the late 1960s?</blockquote> btw, it is interesting that scotland had back then 4 univiersities while england only had 2. I went to Lund damn being the first or one of the first Scandinavian uni, it was not ancient enough to be classified as ancient

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When I was studying classics at Merton, I become disappointed with all these new things like trade and merchants.

A gentleman of means should not have to lower himself to such things.

BigD

- Before anyone asks: yes they do allow such students, but they try and prevent them.

Durham is not an ancient university. Britian has six ancient universities, dating from before 1600. Durham's charter dates from 1837.

The notion that there's no comparison between ancient and plate class is silly. Would you rather than an MBA from St Andrew's (established in 1413) or from London Business School, founded in the late 1960s?


btw, it is interesting that scotland had back then 4 univiersities while england only had 2.

I went to Lund damn being the first or one of the first Scandinavian uni, it was not ancient enough to be classified as ancient
When I was studying classics at Merton, I become disappointed with all these new things like trade and merchants. A gentleman of means should not have to lower himself to such things. BigD - Before anyone asks: yes they do allow such students, but they try and prevent them. <blockquote><blockquote>Durham is not an ancient university. Britian has six ancient universities, dating from before 1600. Durham's charter dates from 1837. The notion that there's no comparison between ancient and plate class is silly. Would you rather than an MBA from St Andrew's (established in 1413) or from London Business School, founded in the late 1960s?</blockquote> btw, it is interesting that scotland had back then 4 univiersities while england only had 2. I went to Lund damn being the first or one of the first Scandinavian uni, it was not ancient enough to be classified as ancient </blockquote>

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Wow! too many personal attacks.. looks like there is lot of Warwick PR guys around here. Not worth fighting with them. Let me get out..
Wow! too many personal attacks.. looks like there is lot of Warwick PR guys around here. Not worth fighting with them. Let me get out..

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You are playing the "Personal attacks" card ? Don't talk rubbish. Because people question your bizarre advocacy based on strange posh-and-ancient criteria ? Speaking personally, I have no axe to grind except for a slight affection for Oxford.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
BigD


Wow! too many personal attacks.. looks like there is lot of Warwick PR guys around here. Not worth fighting with them. Let me get out..
You are playing the "Personal attacks" card ? Don't talk rubbish. Because people question your bizarre advocacy based on strange posh-and-ancient criteria ? Speaking personally, I have no axe to grind except for a slight affection for Oxford. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. BigD <blockquote>Wow! too many personal attacks.. looks like there is lot of Warwick PR guys around here. Not worth fighting with them. Let me get out..</blockquote>

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Let's go back to the title's thread.....

Just received MBS's newsletter; starting from July fees for the global mba will be 28400pounds (a 4000 pounds rise, wow!)
Let's go back to the title's thread..... Just received MBS's newsletter; starting from July fees for the global mba will be 28400pounds (a 4000 pounds rise, wow!)

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The key thing for an MBA is the concrete outcome experienced by the students. If ignorance has a worst kind then, surely, it must be snobbish arrogance. The idea that one should elevate Durham because of its Latin postnominals, rather than those outcomes, is pathetic. London and Harvard business schools are part of their respective universities, quite unlike the IIMs.

I'm an LBS alum, and my MBA is from the University of London rather than the University of Durham. Those two universities are more or less the same age, and they are certainly not ancient. The USA has more than 60 universities which are older. It's the people, not the stones, that matter.

PS It's ironic that someone in love with Durham should sneer about plate glass. They have evidently not seen the school: http://www.dur.ac.uk/news/newsitem/?itemno=13610
The key thing for an MBA is the concrete outcome experienced by the students. If ignorance has a worst kind then, surely, it must be snobbish arrogance. The idea that one should elevate Durham because of its Latin postnominals, rather than those outcomes, is pathetic. London and Harvard business schools are part of their respective universities, quite unlike the IIMs. I'm an LBS alum, and my MBA is from the University of London rather than the University of Durham. Those two universities are more or less the same age, and they are certainly not ancient. The USA has more than 60 universities which are older. It's the people, not the stones, that matter. PS It's ironic that someone in love with Durham should sneer about plate glass. They have evidently not seen the school: http://www.dur.ac.uk/news/newsitem/?itemno=13610

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Let's go back to the title's thread.....

Just received MBS's newsletter; starting from July fees for the global mba will be 28400pounds (a 4000 pounds rise, wow!)

Also, Durham is raising the cost of its Global MBA - from 14k GBP to 19k GBP, putting it on par with Warwick.
<blockquote>Let's go back to the title's thread..... Just received MBS's newsletter; starting from July fees for the global mba will be 28400pounds (a 4000 pounds rise, wow!) </blockquote> Also, Durham is raising the cost of its Global MBA - from 14k GBP to 19k GBP, putting it on par with Warwick.

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Lots of posts since my last one and interesting debate around "poshness" of schools and "failure" of DL programs. Bringing the thread back on track, I would like to put forth my own experience on finding the right B-school for my MBA.

I think when it comes to choosing an MBA, deciding on the mode of study becomes the foremost decision which is purely based on personal circumstances as opposed to a choice. In this current financial crisis, quitting a job or taking a sabbatical to do a FT MBA seems like an outrageous decision, hence PT/EMBA becomes an alternative solution but then again what if your preferred B-school is not in the same country? Would it be foolish to do a DL course? Personally, I would say "no" with an IF statement! When it comes to DL, one needs to be cautious as it is yet to catch up with its other forms across the world of recruitment. Plus with every other school/college/private institute for financial reasons or other offering MBA degree to anyone who is anyone is truly degrading the value of MBA as a program overall (personal experience). The only way to compensate for this lacking in DL mode is to:
1. Select an Accredited School
2. Check Ranking & Reputation: Refer to FT and
Economist rankings for Global MBA or EMBA. Those
rankings can easily be applied to DL as well to a
certain extent as most reputed school will apply similar
methodology of teaching and will ensure the success
of DL MBA in par with their FT MBA
3. Check teaching procedure and effectiveness of it. Is
the technology or the platform used to deliver lectures
modern and flexible? Suits your style of study? Speak
to students or admin of school to learn more
4. Networking: Check the alumni network! After your
MBA this is one thing that will really come handy when
you're climbing up that career ladder.
5. Career Services: What kind of support a school
provided for a DL student? What are your expectations
and requirements from the career support teams post
graduation? Please consult with school to find out.
6. Finances: Last but not least, if like myself, you have
found a school which way over your budget compared
to the ones you chose earlier, be sure that this extra
cost is justified. Sometimes, you will realize that you
are paying that extra bit just for brand equity and the
high rank of a school. If that's what you fancy, then get
ready to pay for it. After all, its not everyday you invest
in yourself! Choice is yours...

Sorry..the above is based on my experience as I am still applying for my MBA in various school and have not yet decided which one to go for. One thing for sure though, "Poshness" or "which year school was established" is not on my agenda as a selection criteria for my MBA school
Lots of posts since my last one and interesting debate around "poshness" of schools and "failure" of DL programs. Bringing the thread back on track, I would like to put forth my own experience on finding the right B-school for my MBA. I think when it comes to choosing an MBA, deciding on the mode of study becomes the foremost decision which is purely based on personal circumstances as opposed to a choice. In this current financial crisis, quitting a job or taking a sabbatical to do a FT MBA seems like an outrageous decision, hence PT/EMBA becomes an alternative solution but then again what if your preferred B-school is not in the same country? Would it be foolish to do a DL course? Personally, I would say "no" with an IF statement! When it comes to DL, one needs to be cautious as it is yet to catch up with its other forms across the world of recruitment. Plus with every other school/college/private institute for financial reasons or other offering MBA degree to anyone who is anyone is truly degrading the value of MBA as a program overall (personal experience). The only way to compensate for this lacking in DL mode is to: 1. Select an Accredited School 2. Check Ranking & Reputation: Refer to FT and Economist rankings for Global MBA or EMBA. Those rankings can easily be applied to DL as well to a certain extent as most reputed school will apply similar methodology of teaching and will ensure the success of DL MBA in par with their FT MBA 3. Check teaching procedure and effectiveness of it. Is the technology or the platform used to deliver lectures modern and flexible? Suits your style of study? Speak to students or admin of school to learn more 4. Networking: Check the alumni network! After your MBA this is one thing that will really come handy when you're climbing up that career ladder. 5. Career Services: What kind of support a school provided for a DL student? What are your expectations and requirements from the career support teams post graduation? Please consult with school to find out. 6. Finances: Last but not least, if like myself, you have found a school which way over your budget compared to the ones you chose earlier, be sure that this extra cost is justified. Sometimes, you will realize that you are paying that extra bit just for brand equity and the high rank of a school. If that's what you fancy, then get ready to pay for it. After all, its not everyday you invest in yourself! Choice is yours... Sorry..the above is based on my experience as I am still applying for my MBA in various school and have not yet decided which one to go for. One thing for sure though, "Poshness" or "which year school was established" is not on my agenda as a selection criteria for my MBA school

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Really good advice, sharneel.

6. Finances: Last but not least, if like myself, you have
found a school which way over your budget compared
to the ones you chose earlier, be sure that this extra
cost is justified.

One thing I'd add is that, in the case of online MBAs, the calculus is different from that of full-time programs. This is because the return on investment is not as easily calculated for online MBA programs, and that paying more will not always guarantee better results in the long-term. In fact in some cases you might be paying for the "poshness" of a specific school!
Really good advice, sharneel. <blockquote> 6. Finances: Last but not least, if like myself, you have found a school which way over your budget compared to the ones you chose earlier, be sure that this extra cost is justified. </blockquote> One thing I'd add is that, in the case of online MBAs, the calculus is different from that of full-time programs. This is because the return on investment is not as easily calculated for online MBA programs, and that paying more will not always guarantee better results in the long-term. In fact in some cases you might be paying for the "poshness" of a specific school!

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Good to see useful criteria being discussed again....

Since in the case of many schools, WBS I know from experience, the diploma does not say how you earned the degree - there is no connotation of DL as your future employer may never know! It is what the employee can do with the added knowledge of an MBA in addition to the employee's skills and experience. In my experience, employers ask for a print/photocopy of your degree and check it's ranking and reputation - often assuming FT studies and nothing is asked about transcripts which is where you may see a notation of DL studies. The only exception would be if you went from undergrad straight to MBA then grades may come into play or towards an DBA or PhD, experience really should be squeezed in between undergrad and graduate studies.

Seriously, when was the last time you were asked for a transcript of your grades for a job application process?

The DL is structured for those of us that are close to or holding a junior, middle or senior management position to make us stand out and have additional skills than the next guy to move up the ladder.

So degree with no DL on it, along with all of the points mentioned above, and earlier in other posts, and a reasonable cost spread over the program timeline should help you in choosing a program.
Good to see useful criteria being discussed again.... Since in the case of many schools, WBS I know from experience, the diploma does not say how you earned the degree - there is no connotation of DL as your future employer may never know! It is what the employee can do with the added knowledge of an MBA in addition to the employee's skills and experience. In my experience, employers ask for a print/photocopy of your degree and check it's ranking and reputation - often assuming FT studies and nothing is asked about transcripts which is where you may see a notation of DL studies. The only exception would be if you went from undergrad straight to MBA then grades may come into play or towards an DBA or PhD, experience really should be squeezed in between undergrad and graduate studies. Seriously, when was the last time you were asked for a transcript of your grades for a job application process? The DL is structured for those of us that are close to or holding a junior, middle or senior management position to make us stand out and have additional skills than the next guy to move up the ladder. So degree with no DL on it, along with all of the points mentioned above, and earlier in other posts, and a reasonable cost spread over the program timeline should help you in choosing a program.

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I agree with you CANUCK. I have so far checked other business schools like Bradford and Stratchclyde (fighting strongly against WBS) but there is nothing bold enough to knock WBS from my list! I had concerns regarding

- Career Services for DL learners and the school sent me recorded sessions of post grad career service. Looks like they have introduced new support mechanism for the DL students and they also can attend live presentations conducted by employers on campus should they wish to or via wbs live.
- I have also checked the historical trend of ranking for WBS (for FT program) and noticed that they have been very stable on their position, in fact showing an improvement to place themselves from an average 46th position in the last 3 years to the 27th position in 2012. Whereas Bradford seems to be slipping over years being 97th on the recent FT ranking!
- Admission wise I also found WBS to be more advanced in technology and prompt in response whereas Bradford is still using traditional methods of reference collection and responses to student queries seem slow.

I also noticed Warwick being mentioned as "prestigious" school during my research on various magazines and articles which clearly showed the respect it holds across global employers and researchers like FT, WHich MBA, Economist. I believe if I am paying for something especially an investment on myself which will be a brand attached to my learning and my career for the rest of my life, let it be a well-respected, highly prestigious and top ranked school in the world. Let it be Warwick Business School :)
I agree with you CANUCK. I have so far checked other business schools like Bradford and Stratchclyde (fighting strongly against WBS) but there is nothing bold enough to knock WBS from my list! I had concerns regarding - Career Services for DL learners and the school sent me recorded sessions of post grad career service. Looks like they have introduced new support mechanism for the DL students and they also can attend live presentations conducted by employers on campus should they wish to or via wbs live. - I have also checked the historical trend of ranking for WBS (for FT program) and noticed that they have been very stable on their position, in fact showing an improvement to place themselves from an average 46th position in the last 3 years to the 27th position in 2012. Whereas Bradford seems to be slipping over years being 97th on the recent FT ranking! - Admission wise I also found WBS to be more advanced in technology and prompt in response whereas Bradford is still using traditional methods of reference collection and responses to student queries seem slow. I also noticed Warwick being mentioned as "prestigious" school during my research on various magazines and articles which clearly showed the respect it holds across global employers and researchers like FT, WHich MBA, Economist. I believe if I am paying for something especially an investment on myself which will be a brand attached to my learning and my career for the rest of my life, let it be a well-respected, highly prestigious and top ranked school in the world. Let it be Warwick Business School :)

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Everyone has to consider their options and evaluate what they feel is best for them. I did this three years ago and chose WBS and very much enjoyed the program.

Once you realize that DL is an effective method of delivery along with online and on campus interaction with the international reputation of WBS it wouldn't surprise me that you would come to the same conclusion I did three years ago. I'd suggest that WBS is just getting better and more recognized as the years progress.

I'll admit it was a new idea to study a UK MBA from Canada but as I took the courses and attended the on campus sessions, along with some of my relatives knowing graduates of Warwick University that studied on campus - I became more comfortable and very much enjoyed it! WBS is now starting to have FTF courses on this side of the pond in Boston, USA which should build their recognition and reputation here.
Everyone has to consider their options and evaluate what they feel is best for them. I did this three years ago and chose WBS and very much enjoyed the program. Once you realize that DL is an effective method of delivery along with online and on campus interaction with the international reputation of WBS it wouldn't surprise me that you would come to the same conclusion I did three years ago. I'd suggest that WBS is just getting better and more recognized as the years progress. I'll admit it was a new idea to study a UK MBA from Canada but as I took the courses and attended the on campus sessions, along with some of my relatives knowing graduates of Warwick University that studied on campus - I became more comfortable and very much enjoyed it! WBS is now starting to have FTF courses on this side of the pond in Boston, USA which should build their recognition and reputation here.

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Just when I am at the last minute to submit my acceptance form to WBS, I did my last bit of research to find the overall status of the university especially when there was a recent discussion about "plate glass" school and bumped into the following league table:

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings

I am a born brought up Asian British and have been always proud of the British education system. Even during my stays in USA and UAE, I noticed great respect for British universities. Therefore, I didn't even bother to seek outside UK and all my comparison has been against Brit schools only. Knowing that I shall be doing my MBA at a school which is 6th best in UK as per the league table above and consistently maintained its position on top 10 in UK, I am feeling quite chuffed. I believe working towards achieving a degree from such a well ranked prestigious school will boost confidence and keep the engine running when fuel is low on the motivation part.

So I end my journey here as I now have made my final decision in favor of WBS. I want to thank members like Duncan, CANUCK, Ralph, ezra, Mamit, Hudson, George (of course), maubia for all their support and guidance. A month ago I joined this forum with LSBF being my choice due to cost by today I am walking out with WBS, one of the best B-Schools in world simply because the members here always pointed me towards the right direction so that I can research more and choose what is best for myself.

Thank you! :)
Just when I am at the last minute to submit my acceptance form to WBS, I did my last bit of research to find the overall status of the university especially when there was a recent discussion about "plate glass" school and bumped into the following league table: http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings I am a born brought up Asian British and have been always proud of the British education system. Even during my stays in USA and UAE, I noticed great respect for British universities. Therefore, I didn't even bother to seek outside UK and all my comparison has been against Brit schools only. Knowing that I shall be doing my MBA at a school which is 6th best in UK as per the league table above and consistently maintained its position on top 10 in UK, I am feeling quite chuffed. I believe working towards achieving a degree from such a well ranked prestigious school will boost confidence and keep the engine running when fuel is low on the motivation part. So I end my journey here as I now have made my final decision in favor of WBS. I want to thank members like Duncan, CANUCK, Ralph, ezra, Mamit, Hudson, George (of course), maubia for all their support and guidance. A month ago I joined this forum with LSBF being my choice due to cost by today I am walking out with WBS, one of the best B-Schools in world simply because the members here always pointed me towards the right direction so that I can research more and choose what is best for myself. Thank you! :)

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You'll have a great time with Warwick. Just one comment: that league table is for undergraduate degrees. It's not the best guide for MBAs.
You'll have a great time with Warwick. Just one comment: that league table is for undergraduate degrees. It's not the best guide for MBAs.

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I know Duncan :) I have done nuff research on MBA aspect already.. Studied trends in FT rankings for 3 years.. Checked their post graduate career support and saw recorded event on same, met my cohort via FB and they seem an extremely intelligent and highly experienced bunch coming from various geographic location and representing various industries. The league table was something of a last thing I looked at to gauge the performance and standing of the university itself as opposed to the business school only. And it answered my final question :)

You'll have a great time with Warwick. Just one comment: that league table is for undergraduate degrees. It's not the best guide for MBAs.
I know Duncan :) I have done nuff research on MBA aspect already.. Studied trends in FT rankings for 3 years.. Checked their post graduate career support and saw recorded event on same, met my cohort via FB and they seem an extremely intelligent and highly experienced bunch coming from various geographic location and representing various industries. The league table was something of a last thing I looked at to gauge the performance and standing of the university itself as opposed to the business school only. And it answered my final question :) <blockquote>You'll have a great time with Warwick. Just one comment: that league table is for undergraduate degrees. It's not the best guide for MBAs.</blockquote>

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I'm confident that you will enjoy and benefit from the lessons and experiences of the WBS MBA, and glad you found our few pence of input useful.

Good luck, now the work begins!

But some fun too!!!
I'm confident that you will enjoy and benefit from the lessons and experiences of the WBS MBA, and glad you found our few pence of input useful. Good luck, now the work begins! But some fun too!!!

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Congratulations Sharneel on finally choosing WBS, hope to start the course with you in January 2013; I enrolled last week and am already receiving several career emails via my WBS email; unfortunately I am not in the UK, and am not looking for a job anyway. But it looks like if you can attend some of their events, being a DL students is not a hindrance at all.
British education is indeed the envy of the whole world; I live just a stone throw away from Melbourne University here, but I will have more "classmates" in Melbourne than I would have if I had chosen the Melbourne MBA (itself highly regarded, although without the DL option).
Duncan - It is true that the University ranking is mainly for undergraduate courses, but if everything else is ticked, I think being associated with a good University doesn't hurt. Obviously it's the last box to tick.
I also found this forum to be very useful in helping people decide. Both the critical and the supporting comments are helpful. I came here initially being very sceptical about the compulsory residential attendances, yet I went away convinced that it was actually a positive to have that. I also note that Sharneel you started by saying you had your own network of contacts, and I now see you have been impressed by the few highly experienced people you have "met" so far. I hope though, that others people from other business schools also post their reviews here so people can make informed choice. I am now a Warwick convert, but I still believe Durham, Henley, and Bradford are not too bad. Imperial College was too pricey, and the quality not as good in my opinion, but I would like to read another opinion. I have a question mark on Strathclyde; they gave me an offer even though my essay was incomplete; plus they had not even received my references by then. I am a good candidate no doubt, but it felt too easy to get in. Still, I would still go there if I lived nearby.
Congratulations Sharneel on finally choosing WBS, hope to start the course with you in January 2013; I enrolled last week and am already receiving several career emails via my WBS email; unfortunately I am not in the UK, and am not looking for a job anyway. But it looks like if you can attend some of their events, being a DL students is not a hindrance at all. British education is indeed the envy of the whole world; I live just a stone throw away from Melbourne University here, but I will have more "classmates" in Melbourne than I would have if I had chosen the Melbourne MBA (itself highly regarded, although without the DL option). Duncan - It is true that the University ranking is mainly for undergraduate courses, but if everything else is ticked, I think being associated with a good University doesn't hurt. Obviously it's the last box to tick. I also found this forum to be very useful in helping people decide. Both the critical and the supporting comments are helpful. I came here initially being very sceptical about the compulsory residential attendances, yet I went away convinced that it was actually a positive to have that. I also note that Sharneel you started by saying you had your own network of contacts, and I now see you have been impressed by the few highly experienced people you have "met" so far. I hope though, that others people from other business schools also post their reviews here so people can make informed choice. I am now a Warwick convert, but I still believe Durham, Henley, and Bradford are not too bad. Imperial College was too pricey, and the quality not as good in my opinion, but I would like to read another opinion. I have a question mark on Strathclyde; they gave me an offer even though my essay was incomplete; plus they had not even received my references by then. I am a good candidate no doubt, but it felt too easy to get in. Still, I would still go there if I lived nearby.

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Sharneel, congratulations on making your decision for WBS! I look forward to meeting you and hudson4mba at Warwick week. I'm also starting in January. This forum is indeed indispensable.
Sharneel, congratulations on making your decision for WBS! I look forward to meeting you and hudson4mba at Warwick week. I'm also starting in January. This forum is indeed indispensable.

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so far this comparison discussion is going good.

Does WBS allow DL students to take part in International projects, study experiences, exchange with other schools etc along side FT/EMBA students?

In a email response to my querry DBS says they allow it and encourage it. They give recent examples such as exchanges with
Mannheim Business School (MBS), Germany
Sun Yat-sen university (SYS) in Guangzhou, China
Central University of Finace and Economics (CUFE)in Beijing, China
Srilanka, Brazil projects, etc

WBS, MBS, Aston, Strath, Henly, Imperial - any similar feature? Is it just a marketing stuff or a sign that DBS treats DL students on par with FT/EMBA?
so far this comparison discussion is going good. Does WBS allow DL students to take part in International projects, study experiences, exchange with other schools etc along side FT/EMBA students? In a email response to my querry DBS says they allow it and encourage it. They give recent examples such as exchanges with Mannheim Business School (MBS), Germany Sun Yat-sen university (SYS) in Guangzhou, China Central University of Finace and Economics (CUFE)in Beijing, China Srilanka, Brazil projects, etc WBS, MBS, Aston, Strath, Henly, Imperial - any similar feature? Is it just a marketing stuff or a sign that DBS treats DL students on par with FT/EMBA?

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A more recent or current student will be able to give a better answer; but I did have the option of classes at Mannheim Business School (MBS) and FTF at various locations around the world. You could also transfer to or take FT or EMBA courses at WBS.

But for the latest list and possibilities I would refer you to the website at wbs.ac.uk which they recently renewed.
A more recent or current student will be able to give a better answer; but I did have the option of classes at Mannheim Business School (MBS) and FTF at various locations around the world. You could also transfer to or take FT or EMBA courses at WBS. But for the latest list and possibilities I would refer you to the website at wbs.ac.uk which they recently renewed.

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WBS, MBS, Aston, Strath, Henly, Imperial - any similar feature? Is it just a marketing stuff or a sign that DBS treats DL students on par with FT/EMBA?

Some of them do. Warwick, for instance, requires you to attend a module at at least on non-UK campus. Also, like many other similar programs, they allow you to do a consultancy project - and this can be with an international organization.

Likewise, Aston has a project component where you can work with an international organization - this can be with your current company, or with another of your choosing.
<blockquote>WBS, MBS, Aston, Strath, Henly, Imperial - any similar feature? Is it just a marketing stuff or a sign that DBS treats DL students on par with FT/EMBA? </blockquote> Some of them do. Warwick, for instance, requires you to attend a module at at least on non-UK campus. Also, like many other similar programs, they allow you to do a consultancy project - and this can be with an international organization. Likewise, Aston has a project component where you can work with an international organization - this can be with your current company, or with another of your choosing.

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Hi,

I have just received my unconditional offer for the Global MBA at Durham which I'm really excited about.

Now I'm in the process of deciding if I should attend the 1st week module at Durham University (optional) or if I should do it online? Since it is the starting point for this great opportunity in my career, I am really considering to visit Durham even though it will cost me around 1000 - 1500 USD extra.

Did anyone from the Global MBA try this?
I can see little reviews about their Global MBA online when searching on Google.

Many thanks
Joel
Hi, I have just received my unconditional offer for the Global MBA at Durham which I'm really excited about. Now I'm in the process of deciding if I should attend the 1st week module at Durham University (optional) or if I should do it online? Since it is the starting point for this great opportunity in my career, I am really considering to visit Durham even though it will cost me around 1000 - 1500 USD extra. Did anyone from the Global MBA try this? I can see little reviews about their Global MBA online when searching on Google. Many thanks Joel

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I haven't done this MBA program, but in general, these online MBA programs are most effective when you're able to do the on-campus residencies. This is because you meet with the faculty and other students, and you are able to more robustly build your soft skills like leadership and teambuilding.

The relationships you build and the connections you forge are fundamental parts of an MBA program, and unfortunately, tend to be neglected by online MBA programs. So if you can, try to take advantage of all of Durham's on-campus residencies.
I haven't done this MBA program, but in general, these online MBA programs are most effective when you're able to do the on-campus residencies. This is because you meet with the faculty and other students, and you are able to more robustly build your soft skills like leadership and teambuilding. The relationships you build and the connections you forge are fundamental parts of an MBA program, and unfortunately, tend to be neglected by online MBA programs. So if you can, try to take advantage of all of Durham's on-campus residencies.

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Hi,
I am on this program. I did online induction and couple of modules online. I felt lonely and boring. Then I attended 4 residencies (3 to 5 days per module) so far. It is great and very effective, full of activities, team works, etc. It totally changed my view of cost/benefit proposition. I found that people who started with induction on-site form a good relationship and network and move together almost entire program, the professors/staff also make a very good connection with them. You feel on par with full timers, it motivates you greatly. I strongly recommend you start on-campus and tap the best out of the program. Now I managed to catchup with my cohort. Six of us doing the same set of modules from London, 4 from Germany and 3 from Belgium, 4 from US, 3 from Canada, 7 from Nigeria/Africa, 2 from Ireland and the rest spread across UK. I stayed at the school with the full timers, I also made few good connection with them - they are from all over the world. They are easy to approach and willing to help progress in my course.

In short - whichever school, if you do "fully" online/distance whatever be the technology in use, you miss the whole point of MBA.
Hi, I am on this program. I did online induction and couple of modules online. I felt lonely and boring. Then I attended 4 residencies (3 to 5 days per module) so far. It is great and very effective, full of activities, team works, etc. It totally changed my view of cost/benefit proposition. I found that people who started with induction on-site form a good relationship and network and move together almost entire program, the professors/staff also make a very good connection with them. You feel on par with full timers, it motivates you greatly. I strongly recommend you start on-campus and tap the best out of the program. Now I managed to catchup with my cohort. Six of us doing the same set of modules from London, 4 from Germany and 3 from Belgium, 4 from US, 3 from Canada, 7 from Nigeria/Africa, 2 from Ireland and the rest spread across UK. I stayed at the school with the full timers, I also made few good connection with them - they are from all over the world. They are easy to approach and willing to help progress in my course. In short - whichever school, if you do "fully" online/distance whatever be the technology in use, you miss the whole point of MBA.

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I found that people who started with induction on-site form a good relationship and network and move together almost entire program, the professors/staff also make a very good connection with them. You feel on par with full timers, it motivates you greatly.

Great insight. I agree that the in-class components add a ton of value to online MBA programs. You get to improve your soft skills by working in teams; networking can be more robust; and even just talking to your professors is easier than in any online environment.
<blockquote>I found that people who started with induction on-site form a good relationship and network and move together almost entire program, the professors/staff also make a very good connection with them. You feel on par with full timers, it motivates you greatly.</blockquote> Great insight. I agree that the in-class components add a ton of value to online MBA programs. You get to improve your soft skills by working in teams; networking can be more robust; and even just talking to your professors is easier than in any online environment.

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Dear George:

I just have a quick question. When you do a residency module [3-5 days], does that fast tack your MBA programme? If you attend the classes on campus, do you still go through the 6 months semester program?

Thank you in adavnce.

Kidn regards,
Rakhee.
Dear George: I just have a quick question. When you do a residency module [3-5 days], does that fast tack your MBA programme? If you attend the classes on campus, do you still go through the 6 months semester program? Thank you in adavnce. Kidn regards, Rakhee.

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Good question. The best part of the residency is that the entire module is condensed in tightly pack sessions with loads of activities. All formative assessments are done within those days, we are only left with final assignments and/or exam after a month or so. I am a self learner and used to study alone but I find modular residency model is very different and more engaging. It helps you to speed up the whole program as well, if you need to. I plan to do rest of the program this way. Negotiating with my company to get appropriate breaks :-).

If you can and afford to.. by all means go for a school that gives you enough onsite residencies.

I wish I'd done MBA some 10 years back.. spent far too long contemplating :-(. But on the other hand, the MBA is only making sense and better understood after all these years of experience, so I am happy :-)
Good question. The best part of the residency is that the entire module is condensed in tightly pack sessions with loads of activities. All formative assessments are done within those days, we are only left with final assignments and/or exam after a month or so. I am a self learner and used to study alone but I find modular residency model is very different and more engaging. It helps you to speed up the whole program as well, if you need to. I plan to do rest of the program this way. Negotiating with my company to get appropriate breaks :-). If you can and afford to.. by all means go for a school that gives you enough onsite residencies. I wish I'd done MBA some 10 years back.. spent far too long contemplating :-(. But on the other hand, the MBA is only making sense and better understood after all these years of experience, so I am happy :-)

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Hi Georgep

You mentioned that it would have been better if you would have done 10 years ago?> How much work ex did you have when you applied for this MBA?
Hi Georgep You mentioned that it would have been better if you would have done 10 years ago?> How much work ex did you have when you applied for this MBA?

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I wish I'd done MBA some 10 years back.. spent far too long contemplating :-)



Hi George.... I'm having your same wish :-)
<blockquote> I wish I'd done MBA some 10 years back.. spent far too long contemplating :-) </blockquote> Hi George.... I'm having your same wish :-)

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As I mentioned in the start of this thread couple of years back, I had 16+ yrs experience at the time of admission.

Maubia,
I notice that you are active in this forum. Did you start your MBA or not?. Go for it mate!, trust your intuition and commit to whatever school makes sense to you. There is no school that is perfect for everyone. Good luck.
As I mentioned in the start of this thread couple of years back, I had 16+ yrs experience at the time of admission. Maubia, I notice that you are active in this forum. Did you start your MBA or not?. Go for it mate!, trust your intuition and commit to whatever school makes sense to you. There is no school that is perfect for everyone. Good luck.

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Hi George:

Thank you so much for your prompt response. Highly appreciate it! Now even I am plan to attend the residency module too starting October at durham. So far, the acdemic work is intense but I am loving it :)

I also wanted to let you know that like many of us, your thread is the reason for me applying to Durham so thank you :)

Best,
Rakhee.
Hi George: Thank you so much for your prompt response. Highly appreciate it! Now even I am plan to attend the residency module too starting October at durham. So far, the acdemic work is intense but I am loving it :) I also wanted to let you know that like many of us, your thread is the reason for me applying to Durham so thank you :) Best, Rakhee.

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Thank you all so much on this post. I read through all contributions and i am happy to say Distance / on-line Learning is the way to go for a busy bee like me. I cannot afford to stay off work, i have family to look after, demanding husband and i aspire to be outstanding in my area. Now on the managerial role and distance learning is the best mode for me right now. George, this is a great one of help, i am in between Durham and Warrick, fingers cross.....
Thank you all so much on this post. I read through all contributions and i am happy to say Distance / on-line Learning is the way to go for a busy bee like me. I cannot afford to stay off work, i have family to look after, demanding husband and i aspire to be outstanding in my area. Now on the managerial role and distance learning is the best mode for me right now. George, this is a great one of help, i am in between Durham and Warrick, fingers cross.....

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Today marks the 2nd anniversary of this post! 27K+ views!!
In the mean time I am 60% through my course. :-)

Good luck to everyone on your MBA search.
Today marks the 2nd anniversary of this post! 27K+ views!! In the mean time I am 60% through my course. :-) Good luck to everyone on your MBA search.

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Interesting thread, as I'm considering the online MBA from Durham, but am also looking at the Manchester and Warwick MBAs as well. Being 60% done with the program, any more insight? Still feeling lonely and bored with the online components? :)
Interesting thread, as I'm considering the online MBA from Durham, but am also looking at the Manchester and Warwick MBAs as well. Being 60% done with the program, any more insight? Still feeling lonely and bored with the online components? :)

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I started the Global MBA in Durham in April and I've been there twice already. I didn't do any distance learning module yet (by option) and I recommend it. I like the face-to-face approach.

So far, I'm very happy with the program and I have two more modules in October (one distance and one presence by option too).

Good luck with your choice(s).
I started the Global MBA in Durham in April and I've been there twice already. I didn't do any distance learning module yet (by option) and I recommend it. I like the face-to-face approach. So far, I'm very happy with the program and I have two more modules in October (one distance and one presence by option too). Good luck with your choice(s).

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Interesting posts made since I made my last contribution, and it's great to see people getting very useful feedback on here.
I am now approaching the end of my first year at Warwick. So far it has been fantastic, and the feature that I like most is actually the residential and F2F modules - which is a but weird because I was a critic of this when I was looking for an MBA. True it is very costly and inconvenient especially if you are not based in the UK, but the benefits far much outweigh the downsides. You get to meet your fellow students, and develop a wide network of colleagues. Makes the studying less stressful, because you can still link up with your colleagues online, but you also know them in person and that helps.
I notice even the originator of this post, George, has also changed his mind about the need for F2F attendance - it is a very essential part of the learning process.
As for the content, well interesting that some of the Professors teach at other UK business schools (including Durham), so I believe all schools in broadly the same brack (like DUBS and WBS) would be as good as each other.
Good luck to everyone still deciding - I would recommend Warwick (with a few things I am not happy about - but not essential) but from what I read Durham would be just as good too!
Interesting posts made since I made my last contribution, and it's great to see people getting very useful feedback on here. I am now approaching the end of my first year at Warwick. So far it has been fantastic, and the feature that I like most is actually the residential and F2F modules - which is a but weird because I was a critic of this when I was looking for an MBA. True it is very costly and inconvenient especially if you are not based in the UK, but the benefits far much outweigh the downsides. You get to meet your fellow students, and develop a wide network of colleagues. Makes the studying less stressful, because you can still link up with your colleagues online, but you also know them in person and that helps. I notice even the originator of this post, George, has also changed his mind about the need for F2F attendance - it is a very essential part of the learning process. As for the content, well interesting that some of the Professors teach at other UK business schools (including Durham), so I believe all schools in broadly the same brack (like DUBS and WBS) would be as good as each other. Good luck to everyone still deciding - I would recommend Warwick (with a few things I am not happy about - but not essential) but from what I read Durham would be just as good too!

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Hey every one,

I am writing from Göteborg Sweden.. I have been researching a lot for last two months. I am planning as well for DL MBA ... and like everyone else, my limitation is also my family, my little girls and a newly bought house :) .... I would like to choose Warwick based on their financial times rankings but their compulsory attendance is making me think again and again. Durham is offering this an option but not "A Must Do" and in the recent rankings it is not really far behind warwick now... So right now, I coming to no conclusion.

The other factor that I havent read anywhere is what are the costs of 3 compulsory warwick weeks in pure figures.... How many pounds or euros , one must keep aside when deciding to go for warwick week ... any real experience ?

If you extend your studies you will have to budget for an extension fee for each extra year of study. Does anyone know how much does this extension costs ?

Regards
Hey every one, I am writing from Göteborg Sweden.. I have been researching a lot for last two months. I am planning as well for DL MBA ... and like everyone else, my limitation is also my family, my little girls and a newly bought house :) .... I would like to choose Warwick based on their financial times rankings but their compulsory attendance is making me think again and again. Durham is offering this an option but not "A Must Do" and in the recent rankings it is not really far behind warwick now... So right now, I coming to no conclusion. The other factor that I havent read anywhere is what are the costs of 3 compulsory warwick weeks in pure figures.... How many pounds or euros , one must keep aside when deciding to go for warwick week ... any real experience ? If you extend your studies you will have to budget for an extension fee for each extra year of study. Does anyone know how much does this extension costs ? Regards

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That seems like a great question to ask the school.

The accommodation costs were also on their website, not sure if they are still there but pretty normal hotel prices.
That seems like a great question to ask the school. The accommodation costs were also on their website, not sure if they are still there but pretty normal hotel prices.

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The other factor that I havent read anywhere is what are the costs of 3 compulsory warwick weeks in pure figures.... How many pounds or euros , one must keep aside when deciding to go for warwick week ... any real experience ?

If you extend your studies you will have to budget for an extension fee for each extra year of study. Does anyone know how much does this extension costs ?


Hi Musse

I am a current Warwick MBA student so can answer. You don't pay extra to attend the Warwick Weeks, but you have to pay for accommodation and meals. If you stay on Campus you can get decent accommodation for around 50 pounds per day (not sure in euro). Warwick Week 1 is 5 days, Warwick Week 2 is 3 days, and Warwick Week 3 is minimum 1 day depending on electives. There is also a further 5 day face to face you have to do. It can be in Warwick or at a number of other locations in Europe, Asia or even US and Mexico. Again no extra tuition cost but you pay for accommodation and meals (and travel of course).
In short yes the cost is quite substantial and does add up. Some of us have also questioned the point of the Warwick Week in Year 3, only one day for the core module. A few students I know on some 5 day modules at international centres also complained about some lecturers who were not quite up to standard. Time for travel also means time off work, so it does all add up.
If these things are important to you then I don't think you will lose much by choosing Durham instead. But I am currently enjoying my studies at Warwick and I am glad I chose to study with them. I think you still need some face-to-face contact though, whether Warwick's model is a little bit over the top is debatable.
<blockquote> The other factor that I havent read anywhere is what are the costs of 3 compulsory warwick weeks in pure figures.... How many pounds or euros , one must keep aside when deciding to go for warwick week ... any real experience ? If you extend your studies you will have to budget for an extension fee for each extra year of study. Does anyone know how much does this extension costs ? </blockquote> Hi Musse I am a current Warwick MBA student so can answer. You don't pay extra to attend the Warwick Weeks, but you have to pay for accommodation and meals. If you stay on Campus you can get decent accommodation for around 50 pounds per day (not sure in euro). Warwick Week 1 is 5 days, Warwick Week 2 is 3 days, and Warwick Week 3 is minimum 1 day depending on electives. There is also a further 5 day face to face you have to do. It can be in Warwick or at a number of other locations in Europe, Asia or even US and Mexico. Again no extra tuition cost but you pay for accommodation and meals (and travel of course). In short yes the cost is quite substantial and does add up. Some of us have also questioned the point of the Warwick Week in Year 3, only one day for the core module. A few students I know on some 5 day modules at international centres also complained about some lecturers who were not quite up to standard. Time for travel also means time off work, so it does all add up. If these things are important to you then I don't think you will lose much by choosing Durham instead. But I am currently enjoying my studies at Warwick and I am glad I chose to study with them. I think you still need some face-to-face contact though, whether Warwick's model is a little bit over the top is debatable.

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I got a reply from Warwick that the extension costs 750 pounds per year ...
Calcuating Warwick weeks costs to personal pocket, residence, food, travel (the most expensive in this factor, as air tickets can be very expensive) .. this must be 2500-3000 pounds , at the very least, for all te 3 warwick weeks.. this is quite a lot which is not showing anywhere in the costs for the moment. I havent included away from family factor, leaving job and other stuff which is the prime reason for choosing an online MBA.
I have started my application form to Durham now.
Lets see how things proceed.

Regards
I got a reply from Warwick that the extension costs 750 pounds per year ... Calcuating Warwick weeks costs to personal pocket, residence, food, travel (the most expensive in this factor, as air tickets can be very expensive) .. this must be 2500-3000 pounds , at the very least, for all te 3 warwick weeks.. this is quite a lot which is not showing anywhere in the costs for the moment. I havent included away from family factor, leaving job and other stuff which is the prime reason for choosing an online MBA. I have started my application form to Durham now. Lets see how things proceed. Regards

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Well, since you can estimate your costs, it shouldn't be hard to figure out the ROI, with the new FT online ranking. That shows that graduates of the Warwick online program tend to get around a 32 percent salary increase - the average salary today is just over $130k. Durham has a larger overall salary increase, but to a lower salary, meaning that students entering the Durham program probably have lower salaries when they start.
Well, since you can estimate your costs, it shouldn't be hard to figure out the ROI, with the new FT online ranking. That shows that graduates of the Warwick online program tend to get around a 32 percent salary increase - the average salary today is just over $130k. Durham has a larger overall salary increase, but to a lower salary, meaning that students entering the Durham program probably have lower salaries when they start.

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but that is not relevant at all if the starting salary is lower or not. What matters , atleast for me. is the salaray increase one sees with avergae salary 133k for Warwick and 123k for Durham. Not a huge difference in final salary from my point of view. So if I have understood the rankings correctly, they are both in same gradings and appear simultaneiously when ever online MBA is being considered by any one in UK. The program itself as I have read on internet has no big differences as well. The only difference is Warwick makes it compulsory to attend Warwick but Durham leaves it as a personal choice. With my family and job situation, Durham option is the best as it gives me independence to choose it at my time.

Is any one here who is currently enrolled or has graduated from Durham ? I would like to know what is the study schedule required for completing it on time .. and how hard the studies ?

Looking forward to advice and help regarding Durham ...
Regards
but that is not relevant at all if the starting salary is lower or not. What matters , atleast for me. is the salaray increase one sees with avergae salary 133k for Warwick and 123k for Durham. Not a huge difference in final salary from my point of view. So if I have understood the rankings correctly, they are both in same gradings and appear simultaneiously when ever online MBA is being considered by any one in UK. The program itself as I have read on internet has no big differences as well. The only difference is Warwick makes it compulsory to attend Warwick but Durham leaves it as a personal choice. With my family and job situation, Durham option is the best as it gives me independence to choose it at my time. Is any one here who is currently enrolled or has graduated from Durham ? I would like to know what is the study schedule required for completing it on time .. and how hard the studies ? Looking forward to advice and help regarding Durham ... Regards

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Hi every one ! This is Ahtisham. I am originally from Pakistan but working in Saudi Arabia. I am an engineer by profession and have 7 years of experience in KSA. I am an aspirant to distance learning MBA.
I have no words to appreciate the quality of discussion that i have seen in this post, I would like to appreciate also the great contributors (George, Duncan, Hudson, Canuck, ezra , and others.)
Honestly i came here to see the comparison between " Bradford and Durham" , George explained that Durham offer more flexibility as in scheduling courses as compared to Bradford.
Lot being said about the importance of face to face interaction in DL, and i have no doubt in it, but i am in the same delima as was (George and Hudson). considering my circumstances, i would not be able to afford time and cost for on campus sessions.

1) Can technology be the substitute to face to face interaction, can we know which of the following schools (Durham/wbs/bradford/henly) offer the best online experience ?
2) Can we compare these school on the level of technical support provided and response time of teachers to students quires?
3) Are we graded for our level of online engagement and collaboration in these schools.
Hi every one ! This is Ahtisham. I am originally from Pakistan but working in Saudi Arabia. I am an engineer by profession and have 7 years of experience in KSA. I am an aspirant to distance learning MBA. I have no words to appreciate the quality of discussion that i have seen in this post, I would like to appreciate also the great contributors (George, Duncan, Hudson, Canuck, ezra , and others.) Honestly i came here to see the comparison between " Bradford and Durham" , George explained that Durham offer more flexibility as in scheduling courses as compared to Bradford. Lot being said about the importance of face to face interaction in DL, and i have no doubt in it, but i am in the same delima as was (George and Hudson). considering my circumstances, i would not be able to afford time and cost for on campus sessions. 1) Can technology be the substitute to face to face interaction, can we know which of the following schools (Durham/wbs/bradford/henly) offer the best online experience ? 2) Can we compare these school on the level of technical support provided and response time of teachers to students quires? 3) Are we graded for our level of online engagement and collaboration in these schools.

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Technology can't fully substitute for face-to-face interaction.

I think the FT's online MBA ranking is very good.
Technology can't fully substitute for face-to-face interaction. I think the FT's online MBA ranking is very good.

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Thanks duncan,

I have seen the FT online mba ranking 2014.
If you filter by online interaction and experience you will find bradford ahead of dhuram and warwick ,,,but this is not complimented by the video available at the school website for online learning.
Thanks duncan, I have seen the FT online mba ranking 2014. If you filter by online interaction and experience you will find bradford ahead of dhuram and warwick ,,,but this is not complimented by the video available at the school website for online learning.

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There's more to an MBA than the production quality of the video. Focus on the outcomes, not just the production quality of the video.
There's more to an MBA than the production quality of the video. Focus on the outcomes, not just the production quality of the video.

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The question is of course not the quality of the videos, but the question is that if there is any other way to know more about the quality of online experience the school is providing to foster learning?

i asked the Bradford school about their online learning experience and they refereed me to the video !
The question is of course not the quality of the videos, but the question is that if there is any other way to know more about the quality of online experience the school is providing to foster learning? i asked the Bradford school about their online learning experience and they refereed me to the video !

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Hey,
I just went through this process as well, so I though to give my feedback as well... As far as I have researched and talked with different people on different forums.. with current FT rankings, I dont think it matters much if you get enrolled in top 10 Online MBA programs ... There is a reason why people trust FT rankings and it is because they are an authentic entity. They dont pick top 10 programs just willy nilly, they put some effort & research before publishing their rankings. As for me, it was between Warwick & Durham, I chose Durham because I did not want to have f2f option as an compulsory option. Some people might say it is good to have f2f as an obligatory option then you are forced to do it but others have argued against as there are little too much f2f modules in warwick as compulsory option.
I dont know how is the career service for these 2 universities but only an alumni / recent graduate can tell you if university really helped in the end to make a career change or getting a new or better job.
I have just got admission offer from Durham and I am in the process of finalizing the process. I hope I made the right choice ...

Regards
Hey, I just went through this process as well, so I though to give my feedback as well... As far as I have researched and talked with different people on different forums.. with current FT rankings, I dont think it matters much if you get enrolled in top 10 Online MBA programs ... There is a reason why people trust FT rankings and it is because they are an authentic entity. They dont pick top 10 programs just willy nilly, they put some effort & research before publishing their rankings. As for me, it was between Warwick & Durham, I chose Durham because I did not want to have f2f option as an compulsory option. Some people might say it is good to have f2f as an obligatory option then you are forced to do it but others have argued against as there are little too much f2f modules in warwick as compulsory option. I dont know how is the career service for these 2 universities but only an alumni / recent graduate can tell you if university really helped in the end to make a career change or getting a new or better job. I have just got admission offer from Durham and I am in the process of finalizing the process. I hope I made the right choice ... Regards

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Yes, FT rankings are indeed trust worthy. Its even great that this year FT issued Online MBA rankings, as opposed to online MBA Listings FT used to issue in past years.

I am still not decided between (Bradford, Durham, WBS). To me the cost is the big factor so as is the F2F element. At the moment Bradford seems to me the most economical of these 3. Further Bradford is now triple accredited as well. The only thing that bothers is which school is offering best online learning experience? By this i mean the possibility to have some element of synchronous learning, the online group work , collaboration , the use of technology such as mobile applications, ipad based learning , use of team viewer or any other software for online screen sharing, collaboration, the possibility of having audio lectures in mp3 format so that we can learn on the move.
Yes, FT rankings are indeed trust worthy. Its even great that this year FT issued Online MBA rankings, as opposed to online MBA Listings FT used to issue in past years. I am still not decided between (Bradford, Durham, WBS). To me the cost is the big factor so as is the F2F element. At the moment Bradford seems to me the most economical of these 3. Further Bradford is now triple accredited as well. The only thing that bothers is which school is offering best online learning experience? By this i mean the possibility to have some element of synchronous learning, the online group work , collaboration , the use of technology such as mobile applications, ipad based learning , use of team viewer or any other software for online screen sharing, collaboration, the possibility of having audio lectures in mp3 format so that we can learn on the move.

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Hi there Ahtisham
Like Duncan says there is no replacement for FT face-to-face attendance, so judging an MBA program by quality of online experience could be a rather pointless exercise. But I understand its a legitimate question to ask, and I will answer it to the best of my ability.
Here I speak of Warwick, but I would be surprised if it is any different from all the schools you have mentioned, they should more or less the same system. At WBS every module has online live lectures, starting from the introductory lecture right up to the end. Typically there are 10 lessons per module, but the online lectures tend to condense the lessons so you wont have as many. Students are encouraged to attend live, but the lessons are also recorded so you can watch later even if you miss it. Because of this the attendance levels for the live lectures tend to be very low, you will be lucky to get more than 10 participants, especially after the first semester (in the first semester everyone is excited about the MBA so many attend). In addition to the live lectures, you also have videos by the lecturers themselves within the lessons, explaining the key concepts. You also have videos from other experts, including some links to some very good YouTube videos. In addition, there are some modules which require group work, and there is a Skype-like facility which we can use to set up online conferences. All lecture notes are also available online, and you have access to thousands of online material from leading academic sources. Books are also now posted in hard copy and also electronic copy.
Basically, you have everything you need online and its hard to find anything lacking. But I bet all these are available at most UK universities anyway. So I end where I started. The online experience doesnt really provide the Wow factor for a DL MBA. Also even if you meet some of your fellow comrades, the experience isnt quite the same if you will never meet in person.
Hi there Ahtisham Like Duncan says there is no replacement for FT face-to-face attendance, so judging an MBA program by “quality of online” experience could be a rather pointless exercise. But I understand it’s a legitimate question to ask, and I will answer it to the best of my ability. Here I speak of Warwick, but I would be surprised if it is any different from all the schools you have mentioned, they should more or less the same system. At WBS every module has online live lectures, starting from the introductory lecture right up to the end. Typically there are 10 lessons per module, but the online lectures tend to condense the lessons so you won’t have as many. Students are encouraged to attend live, but the lessons are also recorded so you can watch later even if you miss it. Because of this the attendance levels for the live lectures tend to be very low, you will be lucky to get more than 10 participants, especially after the first semester (in the first semester everyone is excited about the MBA so many attend). In addition to the live lectures, you also have videos by the lecturers themselves within the lessons, explaining the key concepts. You also have videos from other experts, including some links to some very good YouTube videos. In addition, there are some modules which require group work, and there is a Skype-like facility which we can use to set up online conferences. All lecture notes are also available online, and you have access to thousands of online material from leading academic sources. Books are also now posted in hard copy and also electronic copy. Basically, you have everything you need online and it’s hard to find anything lacking. But I bet all these are available at most UK universities anyway. So I end where I started. The “online experience” doesn’t really provide the “Wow” factor for a DL MBA. Also even if you meet some of your fellow comrades, the experience isn’t quite the same if you will never meet in person.

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I really appreciate your beautiful insight to the learning experience at WBS. I wish i could join WBS but affordability is the only obstacle for me at the moment.

I know the importance of f2f element in learning and that's why kind of pushing to get touch of it through other means, one of the means was the communication technology it discussed above.. The other thing might be the immediate application of knowledge that i learnt though studies in my workplace. I work in a telecom sector in a project management role,and it's already a multinational environment, we work in collaboration, although their is room of improvement but the point is i have a field open to implement ideas after learning them....
I really appreciate your beautiful insight to the learning experience at WBS. I wish i could join WBS but affordability is the only obstacle for me at the moment. I know the importance of f2f element in learning and that's why kind of pushing to get touch of it through other means, one of the means was the communication technology it discussed above.. The other thing might be the immediate application of knowledge that i learnt though studies in my workplace. I work in a telecom sector in a project management role,and it's already a multinational environment, we work in collaboration, although their is room of improvement but the point is i have a field open to implement ideas after learning them....

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Just to clarify though; I hope I am not coming across as if I am promoting Warwick, it's just that people only speak about their own experiences and since people usually don't so two MBAs it's hard to find anyone who has experience of both. But for me Warwick, Henley, Bradford and Durham and a few others are all good schools and if your budget is really tight and you can't travel you wouldn't have made a bad choice at all if you choose any one of them. When I started looking Bradford was the only one without triple accreditation, but now they have so the only issue to consider is fees and overall cost. The quality of learning will be very good in all of them, I am sure of that.
Just to clarify though; I hope I am not coming across as if I am promoting Warwick, it's just that people only speak about their own experiences and since people usually don't so two MBAs it's hard to find anyone who has experience of both. But for me Warwick, Henley, Bradford and Durham and a few others are all good schools and if your budget is really tight and you can't travel you wouldn't have made a bad choice at all if you choose any one of them. When I started looking Bradford was the only one without triple accreditation, but now they have so the only issue to consider is fees and overall cost. The quality of learning will be very good in all of them, I am sure of that.

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I dont know if it's appropriate to ask , but Hudson i remember you got some fee reduction when you applied at WBS, did you applied for it,, Who knows if anyone from us have a luck too.. so kindly advise
I dont know if it's appropriate to ask , but Hudson i remember you got some fee reduction when you applied at WBS, did you applied for it,, Who knows if anyone from us have a luck too.. so kindly advise

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Yes I did get a 50% reduction in first year fees, it helped in swaying my decision heavily in favour of Warwick. Everyone who applies for WBS qualifies for that, just write a good personal statement on why you want to do your MBA, you might be lucky! All the best whatever you choose to do.
Yes I did get a 50% reduction in first year fees, it helped in swaying my decision heavily in favour of Warwick. Everyone who applies for WBS qualifies for that, just write a good personal statement on why you want to do your MBA, you might be lucky! All the best whatever you choose to do.

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Duncan ! you rightly pointed me to focus on the outcomes. So here i state that my main goal to earn an MBA is to broaden my business acumen.. I work for a telecom company in consumer sales and support department. We plan and drive management initiatives to keep improving our customers experience. We support and facilitate internal departments (like internal audit , risk management , business continuity , Human resource ).... and so on...... but although i am managing my self but struggling at the same time,, as my bachelors is in engineering. So i need formal business education ... From the business acumen point of view, my focus would be to get financial management skills so that i could put my hands in budgeting and costing and higher program management roles.
Duncan ! you rightly pointed me to focus on the outcomes. So here i state that my main goal to earn an MBA is to broaden my business acumen.. I work for a telecom company in consumer sales and support department. We plan and drive management initiatives to keep improving our customers experience. We support and facilitate internal departments (like internal audit , risk management , business continuity , Human resource ).... and so on...... but although i am managing my self but struggling at the same time,, as my bachelors is in engineering. So i need formal business education ... From the business acumen point of view, my focus would be to get financial management skills so that i could put my hands in budgeting and costing and higher program management roles.

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As i have identified my career prospects after the MBA to be as Management Analyst /Consultant, now the question is that, which Distance learning MBA could brush up my Management and analytic skills out of (Bradford, Durham or Warwick ) and prepare me to prosper in my current job and to increase my job prospects.I have reviewed the curriculum of Durham and compared it with Bradford and it looks to me that Durham curriculum is more interesting and focused on Management of ones own business. Another thing that attracts me to Durham is the fee structure is pay as you go - as George has mentioned in some other posts. Because Bradford has told me that they do not extend payment beyond 2 years, even if you extend your schedule to complete the program in more than 2 years.
As i have identified my career prospects after the MBA to be as Management Analyst /Consultant, now the question is that, which Distance learning MBA could brush up my Management and analytic skills out of (Bradford, Durham or Warwick ) and prepare me to prosper in my current job and to increase my job prospects.I have reviewed the curriculum of Durham and compared it with Bradford and it looks to me that Durham curriculum is more interesting and focused on Management of ones own business. Another thing that attracts me to Durham is the fee structure is pay as you go - as George has mentioned in some other posts. Because Bradford has told me that they do not extend payment beyond 2 years, even if you extend your schedule to complete the program in more than 2 years.

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